mdk

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

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No, as far as I know. I'm a Christian, and honestly I'm of the contention that much of the bible is mistranslated and isn't necessarily as against homosexuality as most think. However, even if it was, just because my belief on homosexuality being a sin doesn't mean that it is a sin to associate with someone like that.
I'm drawing a blank on what idealogy or religion forbids people from associating with other people specifically. I do realize people believe things like "I don't want to be around sinners" or "I don't want to be around muslims" but show me the doctrine where it is a Christian law that prohibits such things.
Or any doctrine for any major faith/political belief.

@POOHEAD189

Well the first amendment doesn't particularly care whether or not it's against Christian law. I mean it does, at the beginning I guess, technically, but... well mostly I was talking about this bolded part:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

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I think it's the same thing, discrimination against someone because of a belief, whether it be political or religious.

@POOHEAD189

I mean I agree wholeheartedly. But at the same time, if I'm forcing you to associate with people who don't represent your beliefs, is that not an infringement on your first amendment rights?

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

Some of these Nazi's are losing their jobs based on their attendance. I'm changing my relationship with capitalism too: It's complicated.

@Penny

Well, according to allegations of attendance. At least some of the people 'outed' weren't actually there.

Interestingly this fella is still gainfully employed. (edit: I think? actually not confident about that)

Perhaps a good chance to segue -- is it wrong to fire somebody for political views you don't agree with? Would that be different than -- for instance -- firing a teacher because they were Muslim? In my mind, if you're taking federal money, that's sort of a non-discrimination contract... you don't get to fire Drexel Bro, you don't get to fire the economics teacher who wears a Hijab, you don't get to fire the lesbian groundskeeper, etc., unless they're failing at their actual job. Where's everybody's line? Sort of a freedom-versus-freedom situation.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

I can't believe MDK equates the protective rights of nazis (victimizers) with the protective rights of marginalized groups that would/historically have suffered under their regime (victims)

@Ace of Hearts

Well in the first place, I disagree entirely with your broad application of the word "Nazi." I think instead of branding people with a star of David, you're branding them with a swastika; I think the idea you're talking about is fascism under the guise of social justice (NOT saying you're a fascist, I just think you're missing the forest for the trees on this, which is understandable given the hate machines in the media). I think you're probably overstating things to get a rise out of people as a calculated move, and hey, if that's your game, knock yourself out, I'm just saying it's worked out great for the GOP so far. I think it's a misstep and I think you wouldn't like the way it makes you look, if you really stopped to think about it.

And finally, yes, rights apply to EVERYBODY. They're immutable. They're universal. The government's sole purpose is to safeguard them, period, everything else is derived from that. This notion of "equating" rights is alien to me -- rights are equal, by definition.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

No, people are supporting others to have the right to believe in Nazi ideology without consequence from the government or the people.

that's what sympathizers and collaborators do.

also, haha, fighting nazis makes you the nazi?

@Ace of Hearts

Sorry, sorry everyone I REALLY did not want to stick my dick in the middle of this, but uh..... bro. Brooooooo. Bro. I didn't even have to clip the quote, you literally just asked the question "Does fighting people who think you have a right to your own opinion make me a nazi?"

The answer is yes. Yes it do.

Okay, recommence your regularly-scheduled edgefest. I just had to get that off my chest.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

>thinking being a neo-nazi/white supremacist is the same as simply disagreeing with someone
>also thinking that neo-nazi ideology/white supremacy has any validity that entitles it to protection

@Ace of Hearts

Rights are not subject to your judgment of the subject's "validity." If it were otherwise, they would not be rights.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

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well, on behalf of everyone, thank you for advocating for rights of nazis.

@Ace of Hearts

YW.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

imagine how white you have to be to think that nazi ideology and those who believe in it should be protected

@Ace of Hearts

I think that all sorts of lunatics who believe in all kinds of crazy bullshit should be protected.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

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I'm not saying you're wrong or anything, just wondering, but why is it better for our economy if North Korea keeps it's current power structure?

@FreeElk

If the DPRK collapses, there's a giant minefield to the south -- largest in the world. The starving refugees with no skills to offer are going to flood China, which is already facing a dire food and water crisis in the next decade due to the size of its population and the desertification of its land. But they'll go there anyway because they've got nowhere else to go, and China's the closest thing they've had to an ally for half a century. That's gonna be a huuuuuuuge problem, even if all they ever do is eat -- but it's a brainwashed and militarized populace, there's a pretty decent chance they'll do worse than eat. We like to think of China as a big boogeyman superpower but they will straight-up collapse under the weight of a North Korean refugee crisis, and that's just the first domino.

Kim's doing us all a HUGE favor by keeping these people horrifically repressed enough that they can't crash the global economy by flooding China. It sucks, and I hate it, and I'm not saying that to excuse the monster running that deathcamp of a nation -- I'm just saying, if he goes down overnight, it's going to be BAAAAAAD. VERY bad. We need a way to ease them out of it, and we'll never make that happen by toppling the god-emperor in a war. Still, we can't let them have nukes -- that opens up a door to the only thing worse than DPRK losing a regional war.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

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Right and furthermore they have no incentive to ever launch such an attack, they are interested in deterrence. There is no world in which North Korea wins a war once one breaks out.

@Penny

All glory to the great and noble Military Industrial Complex, for keeping us safe