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O-kay, apparently time to double-post. My CS is awaiting approval/editing.
Yep. And I just finished reading both the IC and OOC posts, so I'm aware of what's going on and of the characters already involved. It's time to finish up my CS, then.

Also-yeah. 'Dd' as 'th' is standard Welsh spelling (and that name is a Welsh word, so)...
Apparently I'm filling in spot 3 as of now. 'ello, all!

Name: Ddraig (Thr-ey-g, r is pronounced with a single trill) Wallace. 'Ddraig', a variant of 'draig', a Welsh word literally meaning 'dragon'.

Age:19

Gender: Male









Talent: Fighting, most especially with a longsword

Number: 3

Virtue: Charity
I'm a bit less familiar with it; ultimately, I do like what I know of it a bit more. Certainly, Milton's piece has had similar effects (the whole angels with harps thing that so many people think is actually canonical was artistic liberty on his part, for example). There's also the problem with his Lucifer quote 'it's better to rule in Hell than serve in Heaven' because according to the Book of Enoch-oddly, one of the few cases of Word of Dante that I actually do (... sort of. As far as I know, they never claimed to be speaking for God/Saints/Angels; they took ownership that it was their view as far as I know)-Lucifer was described as being 'cast down to hover over the abyss eternally'. Hell was about as much of a nightmare for the Devil as anyone else; that's why it's Hell, the ultimate horror. That said, Lucifer is my individual favorite candidate for being Satan (other prominent ones being Beezelbub, Mephistopheles, Azreal and a few others), so that plays in a bit.

So, is an OoC in the works now? I think you've certainly built up some interest by now!
Same.

Also, to Agent b52-Another Dark player! <D

Also... 'kind of a dick'?

Dante's works in particular I dislike more as art than a lot of other similar works. Ultimately, I just don't like his stuff and I'm glad to see this isn't drawing very heavily off of it.
I meant no insult with the part regarding 'broadswords'; I was just pointing out an incorrect term.

I know one thing that goes into this is my view of the Romans as well-which is very unconventional. I view Rome as an extremely negative element in history, all empires besides. The Romans also were no 'victims'; they played the same game of raids and conquest and antagonized those same 'barbarians' more than once.

Not exactly. Yes, he did put in a lot of local Italian Christian folklore (Italy was really four areas just referred to as one; it was not a unified nation like England and France); he also invented a lot of stuff. And I am referring to the trope Word of Dante when I say that he presented-and had his works taken as-canon. The main was an ousted politician and his works were extremely political, besides that half of his specifically named subjects in Hell were people that had slighted him or that he didn't like. The Church-including the Roman Catholic of which he was member-also doesn't recognize his material as canonically correct, even though it altered the public perception of it to think that it was. In short, his work had a similar effect on the public's idea of the world and religion as a modern viking movie will give on vikings-and people who are into the actual history get the short end of the stick because 'everybody knows vikings wear horns on their helmets' and so on, besides that that influences how people perceive their descendants and the state of the world.
Beyond that, I just don't like Dante's work even as art. I find his rendition of Hell rather lacking in horror besides absurd and outright canonically incorrect (demons themselves were mentioned as chained and imprisoned in the actual Bible, besides that it was referenced as a place of howling wind, emptiness and dark at least as much as fire. It was depicted more like Tartarus with demons as prisoners as well more than a volcanic wasteland of proportional punishments). Bluntly, I find Dante's version of Hell to be lacking and far less horrific than I think the canon material implies.

Now, I prefer to get back on topic now. I imagine this tone will be a off-putting to others who may glance over this, besides.
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And again, with barbarian: the original Greek word (barbaros) means "not a citizen", or "not a Greek", someone (in their eyes) uncivilized and wild, who lives on the fringes of civilization, or has none at all. D&D barbarians... are just that. They're illiterate, they are supposed to come from mostly tribal backgrounds rather than growing up in cities among more civilized folk, and thus completely fulfill the original meaning of the word. There's nothing wrong with that. Really, in English, in 2014, the word barbarian means "guy with a broadsword screaming in rage and chopping heads", ala Conan, WAY more than it means "foreigner who talks funny," making it entirely justified as a neutral title rather than a negative insult. Besides, "someone who doesn't speak Greek" is just as much an observation as "someone who has darker skin than me", so your view of the word as an incorrigible insult in the first place is shaky at best.


That was not an insult. Note, again, my use of the word 'slightly' regarding the use of the word paladins. The stretch from the notion of the historical paladins to the fantasy type draw on the same basic idea.
The actual people the term 'barbarians' was applied to weren't, though. That's a bit like saying the actual people were 'illiterate mindless savages'; it's as respectful as the Lone Ranger and Wild Westerns are to actual Native Americans. It carries a lot of implications and creates a lot of cultural damage to those people.

There was no such thing as a 'broadsword' until about the 17th century. Broadswords are a modern word and apply to several types of swords basically only from the Victorian period onward. What people often imagine are longswords, bastard swords, arming swords and/or a spatha type.

Also-no, the Greeks and Romans weren't so much racial bigots as cultural bigots.More than once, they were openly accepting of members of other races so long as they were from a Roman background, yet not for people more closely genetically related to them yet from a 'barbarian' culture. They term barbarian implied that anyone from a different culture was innately lesser than them; the entire intent behind the word from its very creation was as a bigoted slur-and the use of the word (alongside how the peoples who were targeted by the term are often presented) in modern times often implies that they were right. Paladin I was pointing out as semantics and the term isn't harmful or even far off; barbarian is taking a racial slur and making it hip.

As for Dange-because he basically did to Christian myth what Disney did to German fairy tales. He outright made up a lot of his stuff, at least half of the specific people in Hell were for petty vendetta's he had and he presented it as practically canonical material-and people believed it and that caused a wide array of negative cultural effects.
Nevis said
For the record, paladin is a term that is slightly misused among fantasy settings in modern times; 'paladin' refers to the knights following Charlemagne, not 'holy knights' in general. Use it as you will, though.Here's to hoping the Divine Comedy (Dante's pieces including Inferno) isn't one of you major sources/inspirations (I do NOT like Dante's work).


Note that I said slightly misused. Using it does make some sense; it's just not correct. That said, I have little regard for the bastardization of language just because it's become accepted. Saying 'paladin' isn't necessarily the most 'accurate', though, just likely the fastest. There are multiple ways of doing paladins, after all-and multiple ways of fitting exactly that description without being one, even by modern conventional terms.

D&D especially has issues with that, though. The 'barbarian' class is actually an insult; the term 'barbarian' was a roman term for 'foreigner'. It referred to the Greek and Roman view that all of the other languages were garbled nonsense that sounded like 'bar-bar', hence the term 'barbarian'. The word is in its very origins and meaning outright bigoted; the 'N word' in modern America is actually [i[less[/i] bigoted, as the 'N word' at least used to be just a literal observation (it comes from negro, coming from latin niger-literally the word for black) that acquired a demeaning attachment over time, rather than an insult in it's literal meaning and origins.

Anyways-awesome! Out with Alligeri.

For some reason, I am imagining the island and society this starts in as similar to Malta and the Hospitaliers. Maybe because of the whole 'militarized Christian-ish island of Knights' part.
So the High Middle Ages and Crusades. About the time of the Norman invasions of England, too.
I'm grateful for that news. I generally don't like the presence of elves unless they're accurate to Euroupean folklore/mythology (... one of them, anyways).

What time period more specifcally, though? The Middle Ages are not the Dark Ages and are not Medieval Ages and are not the Renaissance nor are the early Early Modern Period. At least, for example, what century are you thinking (more for character idea than whether or not I'll be involved, though).
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