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Blocs - A Cold War NRP

Sweet. We got the USSR, the PROC, and NK now. FEAR OUR POWER YOU WESTERN BASTARDS! :) Or ya know...buy our goods. I'd like to get the USA debt started a little earlier this time. :P

Blocs - A Cold War NRP

Well, I've got it finished. :) I'm kinda iffy on the military numbers since they are based off the numbers/info for the 1950's, but I did my best to account for the Korean War.

I've not stated more on the Korean War as I am not certain what date this is in 1953.

Blocs - A Cold War NRP

Jannah said
The Korean War is technically still going even today. It really only ended in a ceasefire rather than an actual treaty or anything. I hope that answers that question.

Well I meant the Armistice Agreement on July 27th, 1953. Was wondering if that had occurred yet or if this is at the very start of 1953. January 1st.

Blocs - A Cold War NRP

Basic Information
Official Name: 中华人民共和国, Zhōnghuá Rénmín Gònghéguó, People's Republic of China
Languages:Chinese; Recognized Regional Languages include Mongolian, Tibetan, Uyghur, Zhuang, and various others.
Capital City Beijing
Population:582,603,417
Demonym: Chinese

Historical Information
History: Chinese History goes back millennia to before the fall of the Roman Empire. The first known records of a Chinese government go back circa 12th century B.C.E. A loosely feudal society, this gave birth to the numerous Warlord Dynasties that eventually lead to the Warring States Period of the 5th-3rd Centuries B.C.E. in which Seven Kingdoms ruled over the regions of China. This period ended in 221BCE when the Qin conquered the other six Kingdoms. This lead to the rise of Imperial China and the Qin as the first Emperor. The Qin lasted for fifteen years before falling to the Han Dynasty. The Han Dynasty instituted created a cultural identity among the Chinese as it lasted from 206BCE to the 220th year of the Common Era.

Upon the fall of the Han Dynasty, numerous dynasties arose which created a solid structure for the Chinese in following ideologies such as Confucianism and Buddhism. These Dynasties rose and fell until China was conquered by the Mongols. Under the Mongol Leader Kublai Khan, the Yuan Dynasty which lasted for 100 years before falling to the Ming Dynasty which eventually lead to the Qing Dynasty.

The Qing Dynasty lasted from 1644-1912 and suffered much under European Imperialism. The First and Second Opium Wars in the 19th Century left the Chinese in a state of disrepair due to treaties forced upon them by the British. The First Sino-Japanese War also saw the loss of the Korean Peninsula and Taiwan to Japan. The Qing Dynasty underwent numerous rebellions such as the Taiping Rebellion and the Boxer Rebellion. The Qing Dynasty eventually fell to the Xinhai Revolution which lead to the founding of the Republic of China in 1911.

Yuan Shikai, an Imperial General, was elected as the first President of the Republic for his military power. Yuan Shikai however ignored the constitutions of the new Republic and eventually attempted to declare himself the new Emperor in 1915. This angered the populace and numerous Warlord states arose. In south China, Sun Yat-Ten reformed the KMT party and established a government there. It was his dream to unify China once more though this would happen after his death. During this time period, the ideas of Marxism spread throughout China which lead to the creation of the Communist Party of China in 1920.

After Sun's death in 1925, the Chiang Kai-shek became the new leader of the KMT. A more ambitious man, Chiang lead the Northern Expedition and with the help of Soviet and the Communist party of China, reunified China in 1928. The Nanjing Government was established. Chiang however held an irrational fear of the Communists and ordered a purge of this political party. Thousands died which eventually lead to the Chinese Civil War in 1927. The Communist Party and KMT party fought desperately against each other until World War II. In World War II, the two reached an uneasy truce to fight the Japanese in the Second Sino-Japanese War.

At the end of the war, fighting between the two forces quickly resumed. With assistance from the Soviet Union, the Communist Party outmaneuvured the KMT and the two soon found themselves in a more equal fight. In 1946, Chiang Kai-shek launched a full assault on Communist held lands. Knowing their disadvantages in manpower and equipment, the CPC executed a "passive defense" strategy. They avoided the strong points of the KMT army, and were prepared to abandon territory in order to preserve their forces. In most cases, the surrounding countryside and small towns had come under Communist influence long before the cities. They also attempted to wear out the KMT forces as much as possible. This tactic seemed to be successful; after a year, the power balance became more favorable to the CPC. They wiped out 1.12 million KMT troops, while their strength grew to about 2 million men. By 1949, the CPC had conquered the majority of China. In this year, Mao Zedong proclaimed the People's Republic of China with their capital in Beijing. The remaining KMT Nationalist retreated to Taiwan where they claimed to still be the sole authority of China as the Republic of China.

Initially the United States had no desire to support the KMT, however the onset of the Korean War prevented this. The United States Seventh Fleet moved to the Taiwan Strait to prevent the PR and RO from attacking one another. The United Nations supported South Korea, while the Soviet Union and People's Republic of China supported the Communistic North. Recognizing the danger of a United States backed Korea on their doorstep, Mao Zedong ordered the People's Volunteer Army to move into Korea to assist the North. During this time, China also annexed Tibet.

Politics and Government: The Peoples Republic of China is a Communistic Government lead by Mao Zedong
Military:

Long Military Analysis

By the summer of 1950, the People's Liberation Army (PLA) had grown into a huge force of an estimated 5,238,000 men, organized into 253 divisions. However in reality, the actual military strength of the PLA was much lesser than what the paper figures suggested. This was due to equipment, organizational, training, leadership and logistics deficiencies etc. Only half of the 253 divisions could be considered as reasonably combat-effective. The numerous units also had varying origins. Some were composed of long-time Communist fighters against the KMT and the Japanese. The rest were former KMT units which had surrendered and were integrated into the PLA forces, either inidividually or wholly at the divisional level.

II: Overall Organization
The entire PLA was under the direction of the Central Military Commission, which was made up of senior members of the Communist Party. The PLA Army was broadly divided into 4 Field Armies, organized per below: -

Commander in Chief - General Zhu Deh
Acting Chief of Staff - General Nie Rongzhen
First Field Army - General Peng Dehuai - 34 divisions
Second Field Army - General Lin Po Cheng - 49 divisions
Third Field Army - General Chen Yi - 72 divisions
Fourth Field Army - General Lin Biao - 59 divisions

At the time of the N Korean invasion, the First Field Army was 'pacifying' the Xinjiang region and NW China; the Second Field Army was in W China, preparing to advance into Tibet; the Third Field Army was on the east China coast (around Shanghai), preparing to invade Taiwan while the Fourth Field Army was stationed along the S China coast, tasked with seizing Hainan island and rooting out the last remaining KMT forces in the south. The Third and Fourth Field Armies were also charged with coastal defence.

A Field Army could be broken down further into Army Groups, Armies, Divisions, in succession.

In late winter 1949, the PLA also formed a central reserve force by moving the 13th Army Group (consisting of 6 Divisions in the 38th and 39th Armies) from the Fourth Field Army to Zhengzhou in Henan province. In May 1950, the 40th Army (which was involved in taking Hainan island) was added.

III: Divisional Organization
The Chinese Division was pretty bare-boned, usually consisting of 3 infantry regiments of 3000 men each, an artillery battalion and miscellaneous other troops (which added up to about 10000 men nominally in each Division). Each infantry regiment in turn usually had three infantry battalions, plus (sometimes) an artillery company, a mortar company, a transportation company, a guard company, and a recon and signal unit. Each infantry battalion in turn had three rifle companies. Each rifle company in turn had three rifle platoons, a heavy-weapons platoon with 60mm mortars and rocket launchers, and three machine-gun squads.

The divisional setup could vary widely, depending on its origin, location and mission. Some divisions had more than 10000 men each, particularly those earmarked for the invasion of Taiwan. These included those in the 20th, 26th and 27th Armies in the 9th Army Group (which would be one of the 2 Army Groups sent to N Korea later on - the other being the 13th Army Group in the central reserve force).

Soviet advisors were also on hand in helping to reorganize the PLA (due to the mutual security pact signed in 1949), along Soviet lines.

IV: Equipment
In terms of equipment, the PLA was primitive, comparable with a WW1 army in 1914, minus the trucks and artillery. It was overwhelmingly an army of infantrymen. There were few trucks, little artillery, no air support, and no antiaircraft defense. The PLA had no armor forces.

Whatever equipment existed, varied greatly, ranging from US equipment captured from the KMT, to Japanese equipment captured during WW2 or turned over by the Soviets, to Czech equipment purchased on the open market. The Soviets had promised more modern equipment, but these had not arrived yet prior to Chinese entry into the Korean War. Some infantry regiments had as few as 400 rifles, 180 pistols and 200 submachine guns. Prisoners had reported that as many as two-thirds of frontline troops had no weopans, other than hand grenades (they were expected to pick up weapons from dead or wounded comrades, or from the enemy).

At the Divisional level, there might be 6 105mm howitzers or 76mm guns, 4-6 37mm antitank guns and 4 120mm mortars. At regimental level, there might be 3 75mm pack howitzers, 135 light machine guns, 18 heavy machine guns and 18 60mm mortars.

(But the divisions sent to N Korea left behind almost all artillery, as well as most of their heavy mortars).

Transportation for other crew-served weapons and ammo was via pack animals.

Communications were even more primitve. In some divisions, radio extended down to the regimental level. In all divisions, communication from the regiment downward was by telephone, or by runners. There was normally only one telephone at each battalion headquarters, and none below that. Bugles, whistles and runners were the means of communication between battalions and companies, and between companies.

V: Political Organization
One of Mao's tenets was that the Communist Party must contol the PLA. Absolute control was essential. Thus leadership within the PLA units was shared between the military commander and the political commissar. In many cases, the two were interchangeable i.e. the commander was politically dedicated to the Party, and the commissar was an experienced military man. In some cases, the two roles were even filled by the same person as in the case of General Song Shilun, who was both the military commander as well as the political commissar of the 9th Army Group.

Control of the PLA was through the means of Party committees, which extended down to company level. Within the company, the political organization extended down to the rifle squad, with a 'three by three' system within the squad. I.e. each man was assigned to watch the other two, and each was aware he was being watched.

Further control was ensured by having a reliable Party man in each unit down to the subsquad level. In addition, an extra-close watch was also maintained on the watchers.

VI: The Average Chinese Soldier
The bulk of Chinese soldiers were recruited from the rural peasantry. These were unimpressive-looking, short, scrawny, thin-legged men. But they were tough and accustomed to hardship, indifferent to discomfort, generally in good physical condition and (importantly) capable of sustained long marches. Most were poorly educated and often illiterate, but reasonably intelligent. And were very capable as night fighters.

There was officially no conscription, as each recruit was defined as a 'volunteer'. Each village would be given a quota, and this quota would usually be filled, with little need at 'persuasion'. This was because the Communists had brought much benefits and more importantly dignity to the poorer peasants, and preferential treatment was given to those families who had provided the 'volunteer'. The PLA was also well-liked because they ensured that the soldiers were kept well-fed - an important point in (formerly) war-torn China.

There was no fixed term of service. Discharge only came with illness or injury, or at the PLA's pleasure. There was little opportunity for leave. To further isolate the soldiers from the outside, only higher 'ranks' (colonels and above) were allowed to marry.

Because a large number of recruits were originally from the KMT armies, these posed particular problems for the PLA. At the unit level, these were integrated into the PLA organization, depending on the terms and conditions of their surrender (like how hard they had fought against the PLA). Individually, the ex-KMT soldiers would be indoctrinated, during a period lasting from 2 weeks to 3 months ('brainwashed', to use the Western term). Ex-KMT officers were treated more severely - dispensable ones were often shot outright. However the PLA needed junior officers - these were sent to the 'Military-Political University' and subjected to a more intense process of indoctrination.

(Of note here, between 50-70% of those troops sent to N Korea were ex-KMT).

VII: Discipline and Morale
Discipline in the PLA could be surmised in the following two slogans: -

The Three Imperatives
1) Obey orders in all your actions.
2) Don't take a needle or a piece of bread from the people.
3) Turn in everything you capture.

The Eight Points of Attention
1) Speak politely.
2) Pay fairly for what you buy.
3) Return everything you borrow.
4) Pay for any damage.
5) Don't strike the people.
6) Don't damage the crops.
7) Don't take liberties with women.
8) Don't mistreat captives.

From the above, it was easy to see why the PLA was popular with the Chinese people, compared to the earlier warlord and KMT armies (which were often little better than bandits).

Morale was the responsibility of political officers. To the furthest extent possible, they kept a close watch on the overall morale and ideological commitment of the unit. For monitoring, subsquad, squad and platoon leaders report twice weekly to the political officer. There was also a regimental political section to covertly watch the unit. This led to the result of disaffected individuals keeping very quiet, to avoid trouble.

VIII: Leadership
There were no ranks in the PLA except for 'soldier' and 'officer'; a leftover from the earlier days of being a voluntary guerilla army. Individuals were distinguished only by their position such as 'squad leader' or 'battalion commander'. Officers wore the same uniforms as the same rank and file; except maybe for an extra red piping in some cases.

There was a particular shortage of experienced junior officers in the PLA. To solve this problem, a large number of available ex-KMT officers was utilized, subject to close political supervision.

Also, leaders (particularly those at the lower levels) faced a peculiar problem unique to the PLA. Decisions in combat or whatelse not only must be tactically or militarily sound; they must also be politically and ideologically correct. This led to a serious hindrance on the exercise of intiative on the battlefield; a loss of many opportunities for exploitation.

IX: A Last Word
It was not the same army as the warlord armies or the KMT armies which had plagued China during the first half of the 20th century. Many Westerners (at the time) continued to evaluate it with the same disdain, as was meant for the aforementioned types. General MacArthur and the other American officers (generally) certainly shared the same sentiments, and not without basis. They would find out just how unusual this new Chinese army was, to their great cost later on.
This analysis was taken from here http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=104638

-Military Numbers: 4.5million
-Military Equipment: Poor
-Military Tactics: Guerilla
-Military Projection: Modernize with help from the Soviets.

Geography:China stretches some 5,026 kilometers across the East Asian landmass. China is bordered by seas and waters eastward, with the East China Sea, Korea Bay, Yellow Sea, Taiwan Strait, and South China Sea, and bordered by landmasses on its 3 other sides, from North Korea to Vietnam. China has been officially and conveniently divided into 5 homogeneous physical macro-regions: Eastern China (subdivided into the northeast plain, north plain, and southern hills), Xinjiang-Mongolia, and the Tibetan-highlands. Its physical features are multiples. The eastern and southern half of the country, its seacoast fringed with offshore islands, is a region of fertile lowlands and foothills with most of the agricultural output and human population. The western and northern half of China is a region of sunken basins (Gobi, Taklamakan), rolling plateaus, and towering massifs, including a portion of the highest tableland on earth (Tibetan Plateau) with lower agricultural possibilities and thus, far less populated.
Economy: The years between 1949 and 1953 were a period of economic recovery for China. The Chinese had suffered greatly during the Civil War and Second Sino-Japanese War. These years were devoted to restoring stability to the economy. Despite the Korean War, this recovery succeeded. By 1952 price stability had been established, commerce had been restored, and industry and agriculture had regained their previous peak levels of production. The period of recovery had achieved its goals.

-National Currency: Renminbi
-GDP: 82,419 CN￥
-Economic Projection: Begin the Five Year Plan

Culture: The Chinese culture is one of the oldest and most complex cultures in the world. The culture of China has been influenced by China’s long history and by its diverse ethnic groups which customs and traditions could vary greatly between towns, cities and provinces. Despite all of its regional diversity, the Chinese culture is dominated by the Confucian value system. It has been the ethical and philosophical system in China since its foundation by Confucius. It is a complex system of moral, social behavior, political, philosophical and quasi-religious thought that has had tremendous influence on the culture and history of China.

Infrastructure, Science, and Development:After the establishment of the People's Republic in 1949, China reorganized its science establishment along Soviet lines. The Soviet model was characterized by a bureaucratic rather than a professional principle of organization, the separation of research from production, the establishment of a set of specialized research institutes, and a high priority on applied science and technology, which includes military technology.

The government's view of the purpose of scientific work was set forth in the September 1949 Common Program of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference, which stated, "Efforts should be made to develop the natural sciences in order to serve the construction of industry, agriculture, and the national defense." On November 1, 1949, the Chinese Academy of Sciences was founded, amalgamating research institutes under the former Academia Sinica and Beijing Research Academy (the former Beijing Research Laboratory). In March 1951 the government directed the academy to determine the requirements of the production sector of the economy and to adjust scientific research to meet those requirements. Scientists were to engage in research with significant and fairly immediate benefits to society and to work as members of collectives rather than as individuals seeking personal fame and recognition.

Analysis
Going forward, Mao Zedong will wish to implement the first Five Year Plan. The Chinese Government will be focused primarily on economic growth with help from the Soviet Union. Despite this help from the Soviet Union, the Chinese will remain very wary of Foreigners and seek to grow internally as much as possible. Socialism is expected to grow exponentially in China during this time.

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Rare said
Fine. Can you eat the cupcake stop sign and be quite, please? :)

Even though that is obvious sarcasm I'll agree to it. I just ask that you do the same.

Everyone here Remember Rule 1. Be civilized.

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@Rare, you aren't the GM. I don't have to listen to you. If you asked me kindly though I might agree to it.

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@pepper, what you said wasn't a problem. It is the timing and location. I am all for discussion, but in this thread that becomes an argument very quickly. It's a matter of tactful ness.

Anyway I propose that from now on if anyone has a problem/negative statement about decisions made ICly they keep it out of this thread and take it privately to Outcast or remain silent.

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Rare said
Here is something for you and you should do that the sign says.

....you are really trying to go there? I don't understand why you are being so antagonistic towards me. I have done nothing against you in anyway. I was just trying to stop another argument from occurring.

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Rare said
He doesn't have to listen to you, you aren't the GM.^^

No I'm not the GM. If I was I would have told him to delete it. Instead I respectfully asked him to take it down. Rare I don't know what your problem is with common decency. Treat people how you would like to be treated.

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Only popping up to state that no one should respond to Peppermint!s statement as it will only ignite more conflict as this time. This issue is over with.

@Pepperm!nts I thank you for your interest in this RP we are all creating, but would kindly ask you to delete what you said. The argument has passed for the moment and bringing it up now only causes another possible shitstorm. Thank you.