ReonenMiruel

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Dont adopt scary sounding words just to sound more right wing, youre a conservative who wants slow and limited immigration that has nothing to do with ethno-nationalism.

@Dynamo Frokane

Fair enough. All I'm saying, though, is that at the present time, a certain level of ethnocentrism is healthy, especially in respect to how other places are doing in comparison to where we are. We got to where we were in these certain places because of how white people, in general, acted in previous generations, and I don't think it's helpful to discount that with the critical theory bullcrap that gets spread around nowadays.

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So help me understand what you mean then, you ARE a civic nationalist, and not a ethno-nationalist.

@Dynamo Frokane

Yeah, I guess. But the point I'm trying to get through is that some level of ethnocentrism is probably necessary to encourage civic nationalism. Does that make any sense at all?

And you are happy with non whites coming into white countries as long as they assimilate and it happens gradually?

I think this is what you were trying to say, but at any rate, yes. When in Rome, do as Romans do, right?

And how do you feel about white immigration to white counties, like greeks and italians in australia?

At this exact point in time, I reckon you'd find that formerly immigrant families, while maintaining cultural roots, are more, uh, enthusiastic about being 'Australian' than wherever it is their ancestors came from fifty, sixty, seventy years ago. There is hardly anything more Australian than a 19-year-old Lebanese boy raised here crashing his Ute into a tree after doing doughnut work in a yard on Australia Day.

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Wooo! Glad to know mate 8D

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I'm not sure if you dont actually know what an ethnostate is or you are just making an exception for yourself.

@Dynamo Frokane

Essentially, this is why I said "I'm not sure how far I'd go with that". The main idea is that, as I said above, it's kinda hard to maintain the identity of a place unless the people that are coming in are willing to assimilate into the culture - and therefore values - of that place. Unfortunately, the places we are talking is predominantly white at the moment, and turning that into anything else - barring a slow process at the end of which I really couldn't give a damn if everyone's skin color is equivalent to a neon sign - would be a mistake.

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Alright, but where does the ethnostatism come in, and how is it implemented?

@catchamber

The idea is that we are currently where we are because of the foundations of Western civilization being what it is, ie based on Greek & Roman philosophy intermingled with Judeo-Christian value systems. These are, for the most part, alien in a lot of cultures outside of ours/this - hence the idea that people coming in should be let in slowly and in a controlled fashion.

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So you would kick yourself out of the country you are in?

@Dynamo Frokane

Why would I? I got here legally, not sponging off welfare, and continue to be here legally without a criminal record. Is that an issue?

Or are you getting ethno-nationalism confused with civic nationalism?

Not really - I just like to think that there's nothing wrong with acknowledging that some cultures can't assimilate into another, especially if one brings those of that culture en masse, giving them opportunities to segregate themselves from the larger population. As with anything, gradual and controlled is probably the best way forward.

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So, immigration access would only be limited to loyal, assimilated, and useful folks? I'm a bit confused, since you mentioned ethnostates earlier.

@catchamber

I know it sounds harsh, but pretty much. I mean, you don't see people wanting to flock to places such as Switzerland or Japan even though they're technically first world countries, yeah? Must be doing something right somewhere.

Ultimately I want to get rid of the welfare state or at least cut it back down to a local version of what we have, instead of the federal monstrosity that currently exists (I'm just using AU as a model, I don't know all that much about how the USA's or the UK's, for example, work). Seems like that would go a long way towards patching up the immigration issue.

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Can you elaborate on this, and provide an example?

@catchamber

Control immigration to a point where people who want to assimilate, can, and people who don't, won't even want to enter. At the end of the day, I reckon I phrased that badly - but see above. Reduce the incentive for people to come when they don't have much to offer, but want to take advantage of certain things, and it'll happen naturally.

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Nowhere. Don't go any distance with that.

@Penny

I think I would, considering how it seems that it's totally acceptable for everyone else except Western nations to do it

Like seriously, anyone remember "Africa for the blacks!" ? No uproar or anything with that?

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And how would you go about achieving that demography?

@Dynamo Frokane

I wouldn't actually want to create one, I just want to instill the idea that wanting your country, the country you grew up in and knew for all your life, to remain the same without mass immigration being forced down your throat is not exactly an insane idea. I dunno mate, just me.

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Legitimately, I am wondering if you literally meant racial demography @ReonenMiruel Not that I think you meant anything else but still wanna make sure.

@POOHEAD189

Not quite, I really don't give much of a fuck if someone wants to assimilate and see themselves as being [x] without any hyphens. Seems to be working quite well here in Australia... sort of. Not really. In some places.

But that aside, the only real thrust I wanted to point out is I don't want Australia/America/wherever to turn into the third world hellhole I grew up in.

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"Them savage natives were killing each other like crazy, if we hadn't have arrived and forced them into chrstianity they would have genocided themselves!"

Ironically, he would have no problem with someone like @Xandrya who is an immigrant but 'looks white enough'.

@Dynamo Frokane

Ironic, 'cause my daughter is half white, and I'm pretty sure the white half isn't coming from me.

Uhh... sorry in advance for potential double post, but I have to skip pages here...

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Close, anyway. You still cheffing?

@mdk

Nah bro, DD almost two years back

Also, advocating for an ethnostate... Not sure how far to go with that, but ensuring that a nation stays that nation by nature of its demography isn't too crazy an idea if you ask me