Half PintThe Mongol Empire proved to be much too large for Genghis Khan's remaining sons to administer. This is why the nation itself split off into separate controlled areas by which each of his sons had control off. Prior to this, sibling feuds had become a common thing between them anyway, so it's not hard to believe that anarchy took place in between the time of the Khans death, and before they split during very late years this empire existed. These regions held out on their own for a limited amount of time before falling in a matter of years that were rather petty compared to that of what Genghis Khan formed. The Yuan dynasty was one of the new growing powers within China, really a signal of death to where the Mongol Empire would end, seeing as the Chinese already began seizing smaller parts of southern Mongolia, cutting them off more.
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NERIS
Age: 784 (Biologically).
38. (Closest estimate physically).
Race: ½ Namekian, ½ Cyborg.
Gender: Male.
Personality: Though usually quite calm focused, Neris tends to be quite a laid back individual with a carefree attitude which may sometimes cause him to appear as arrogant or lazy. Adding onto that, Neris tends to be quite independent and self-confident; doesn't like to work with other people, but may if he believes that it will work in his favor. His thoughts lay somewhere almost sadistic, giving him enjoyment for things like death and destruction, and just doing things as he pleases. Not to be confused with a baby who gets everything that he wants, as Neris has experienced denial on multiple occasions, but this does not stop him from going at things head on. Years of doing so have gave him the skills of accurate decisions with very little timing. Quick thinking is a trait Neris obtains, allowing him to act fast in the heat of a situation. Some have pegged him as bipolar, seeing how from one moment Neris can be so collected, by the next he comes off as blood thirsty. This is part of his manifesting from negative occurrences. It's as if Neris feeds off of this negativity, which is what gives him the enjoyment for certain terrible things.
Bio: As far as heritage goes, that is all unknown to Neris. He did not share the love most would with their family, though his ideals were far off from that anyway. In a world where a rumors of a growing threat was coming, Neris wasn't just about to let that smash him down. Never did he have a trainer, and at very young age he began going against his limits. Neris wanted to be the master in all aspects. Relying on one thing was the way to be killed, so in every way he could, Neris started working up his power level to obtain all that he could, and so it rose quickly. Al though he fought for his own ideals, these could be considered ignorant, which introduced him into thievery, and doing whatever he wanted to. Neris believes in strong will, one that can conquer anything. Through his process of slowly evolving into something more evil than he was, he corrupted himself, and there was no one there to change him back. Anyone by his side during this long span was quickly disregarded when he was finished with them. As of now, Neris mainly travels the universe, still waiting for the ongoing threat to soon burst, doing what he pleases, and seeing what he can.
Aura Color: Neon Orange.
Preferred Fighting Style: Balanced.
Signature Combat Techniques:
Telekinesis: The ability to move objects regardless of the mass with his brain power, and manipulate their movement with his mind.
Kamehameha: A focus of Ki in the palm of the hands to release a pressurized energy that fires a beam with large scale damage capabilities.
Destructo Disc: An ability that allows the user to create a razor sharp disk of Ki, traveling at high speeds for immense cutting power, but tends to lack accuracy.
Masenko: Also similar to both Galick Gun and Kamehameha, but of a lower scale, mostly used in defense opportunities. The user fires a large blast of energy out from their palms, typically to block another Ki blast.
Photon Bomber: Charges up an energy sphere in his hand before firing a large, circular blast of Ki at an enemy to inflict large explosive damage.
Wolf Fang Fist: This technique involves a combo attack of both clawing and smacking your opponent in rapid succession, then giving your opponent a final strike, knocking them back to mimic that of a wolf.
Dragonthrow: This technique is when the user grabs someone by their feet, leg, arms, or antenna, and begins to make a spiraling motion above their head with the rest of their body. After momentum is built and speed has reached maximum potential, the victim is let loose and sent flying in any random direction at high speeds for maximum damage.
Dragon Fist: An incredibly fast punch with a devastating force. The user launches himself straight forward to an opponent at high speeds with his arm out straight towards their chest. Impact will likely cause a breakthrough of the mid section, tearing a wound straight through the chest of the target.
Mach Kick: A series of rapid kicks in quick succession rained on top of a target. This multiple kicking process is for a fast, and powerful striking technique.
Perfect Barrier: Aura exiting the body rapidly can form a large sphere that acts as an energy shield around the user. This is capable of fending off large attacks unscatched in the process. Neris may release this energy at once, causing a Ki blast in all directions to knock over his opponent, and/or catch them off guard.
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Technically in a sense the Mongolian Empire was rather successful in its goals of creating a unified state and what brought it down wasn't any sort of military incompetence but Mongol law and tradition really, which was as successful as any Mongol would imagine. The thing with this post is that you're trying to frame Genghis Khan's ultimate goal in a modern or even a theory of a modern complex framework, even if "own the world" is an inevitably simple one. But I doubt the real goal of Temujin's conquest was really to do that. The mission of Genghis Khan was likely more along the lines of forming a unified Mongol state through finding and fighting external enemies, as they did. And then taking the people they subjugated and finding a common enemy for them and the Mongols and pitting the combined armies against them. Rinse, wash, and repeat until the Great Khan dies and succession dictates his sons get equal territories and powers.
The other strength of the Mongols was their practice of conscripting their subjugated states into their armies with more-or-less the same equal standing in its structure. Being tribal they didn't really bother with trying to justify any sort of religious morality under Tengrism as most people so they weren't as persecutory as the peoples they rolled in under their banner. So they were much more flexible than any other armies.
Plus it was the classical medieval era anyways, so modern nationalism didn't exist so there wasn't as rigid a definition of who you were in relation to your neighbors and your exact practices.
But in any case, I wouldn't call Genghis Khan a military failure since the division of the Empire went about as would be expected by Mongols at the time. And their Empires likewise.
But in the framework of the thread that is not "best Empire" but "best leader" the question of the Empire's health isn't really a factor since it occurred only after his death. If because he wanted to avoid his family beating the shit out of itself over who claims the entire thing so declared it all would be divided equally with each son being Great Khan in their own right. He was a by-gone factor by the time legal division happened.
It's a similar deal you find in other Empires. The Carloingian Empire didn't so much "collapse" as we might think but just sort of lapsed out of existence, because also fuck having French sons kill French sons. Or holding multiple titles of the same strength.
And that's exactly what Genghis Khan did. He was famous for unifying the Mongol Tribe, and for his rather large scale and brutal sieges. In a lot of cases, it was never the intentions of the Khan to engage in battle until someone had provoked. I didn't mention the Khan's great mission to conquer the world, I admire him for these conquests, not that they were his main achievement whatsoever. This is important to underline as mentioned before, he is famous for this, but overall it wasn't his main goal. The fall of the Mongol Empire, however, can be credited to a number if things. If you account for their total losses over a sum of 1300 - sometime around 1368, there was multiple things that led to this large empires fall. Part of it could rather be considered political, and not so much do to with militaristic, though the empire was quite so.
Black death was wide spread plague around 1313 in Mongolia at the time and killed millions. It lasted up until about 30 years before the actual closure of the empire, so you could say it was a major factor in the actual fall of the Mongols. Whether Genghis Khan himself was dead at this doesn't have anything to do with this, but more so the aftermath which played out between his remaining sons which caused something of a mass anarchy, and ultimately the end. Nonetheless, Genghis Khan can't be pegged for this failure, more so the black death as it was obviously out of his control. By no means was were the Mongols a military failure, just bound to collapse in on themselves eventually.
Rommel actually started having issues starting at Torbuk, where the over-stretched supply-line forced the axis to make a series of costly hasty-assaults upon the British garrison from which they never really recovered their momentum.
He made a really good effort to go back to the offensive in 1942, and achieved success in terms of gains/losses even though these gains were inconsequential to the bigger picture of a protracted war starting in Russia, and an aborted invasion of England. The fact that he managed to rush a disproportionate amount of troops from the strategic reserve was a greater indication of Hitler's favoritism than juggling what little he had remaining under his belt. Having only 50 German tanks and 14 Italian out of what was initially over 100 tanks at the start of that year.
For 2nd El Alamien, he managed to get reinforced up to nearly 500 tanks, and he promptly lost 50 of them (and nearly 30% of his manpopwer) in the first 2 days of the September operation.
By November, he only had 20 tanks, no fuel save for what was already inside the tanks, and hardly any ammunition.
It is true, he was up against ridiculously larger forces, but the above doesn't really paint a picture of any more brilliance than parking your car in the way of a speeding locomotive, then buying a new car to replace it. Repeat until the dealership runs out of cars.
Also: Employing minefields. Never bothered to develop a way to clear a minefield.
That is true. It was necessary for the Germans to push forward and conquer Egypt at the time, which eventually failed. Having to stretch supply lines a great distance was also a big part of this failure. His involvement in the middle east and so on was a bigger picture during early World War II periods, but as it dug deeper, the conflict in Russia became a bigger issue with large German failure and the casualties that they were taking. The gains made weren't as satisfactory as was in the bigger picture, but made up for his own losses.
After the Axis loss in Torbuk, Rommel came back in Operation Battleaxe, just shortly after Torbuk, which lifted the Germans. Granted, they were smashed down again at Crusader months later. And as you said, Rommel made a very successful campaign in 1942, probably for the loss that he took after the fall of France. And then of course by 1943, everything was basically over. It was more of a back and forth kind of deal, I was referring to his overall tactical skills, but not overall strategy, seeing how that failed. This same process Rommel went through gained him the respect from his allies, and enemies too.
Demand for really anything you can think of was high at this time though. Countries were using their resources immediately, it just happened that Germany fell first because of poor mistakes made.
I'll make a character sometime tonight then. I know somebody else who's also interested, so I suppose that's two more.
A little wary about the truck, Evan had decided it wasn't the best choice to split off fro his current group, especially in this situation. He lobbed his fist towards another zombie that rushed his figure. They're fast.. he thought as the brass knuckles pounded their way through the skull, destroying the brain instantly. Evan kicked over a trash can, causing it to topple along its side, making a small inconvenience for the infected. They weren't very smart, so this may buy the group a little more time. Any other stragglers left behind to chase them would be faced with a small obstacle now.
"So we're just going to run straight out? All right." Evan remained close, waiting for the lead of the rest before running towards the truck.
"So we're just going to run straight out? All right." Evan remained close, waiting for the lead of the rest before running towards the truck.
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Deutlind it is then.
Are you looking for each faction to be claimed before starting OOC?
Are you looking for each faction to be claimed before starting OOC?
You're still accepting characters, right?
Evan had finished off what was left in the half empty bottle in his hand. Though he heard screaming, he ignored it for the most part until noticing the rest of what was now his group fleeing from the bar. Instinct told him to hop over the bar, and continue with them, and so he did. One leg quickly stretched over and he vaulted across before dashing towards the exit of the establishment. Outside Evan noticed the carnage left behind by the others, blood smeared from the corpses of the fallen infected. He immediately stayed close to the ground, trying to be as silent as possible, but found it hard with what seemed to be a typically violent group. The pair of spiked brass knuckles were adjusted over Evan's right hand, and he got ready to swing at any given time. Down the alleyway he followed the rest of them, holding in a laugh he felt arise when he watched Jack wield the axe.
"Might be better to lose these guys before we try to take that truck. We don't know if it'll start anyway." Evan spoke as he batted awaya few of the infected trying to grab him, every so often he would swing at a ghoul that got too close, driving his spikes through its brain, leaving shards of the skull that spilled out along the ground.
"Might be better to lose these guys before we try to take that truck. We don't know if it'll start anyway." Evan spoke as he batted awaya few of the infected trying to grab him, every so often he would swing at a ghoul that got too close, driving his spikes through its brain, leaving shards of the skull that spilled out along the ground.
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Tactics, not so much strategic since both ran into huge logistics issues.
MacArthur, because the logistics of getting the 32nd Infantry Division into and across New Guinea, and the later Inchon landings/Pusan-Perimeter where pretty epic.
-Cons: Tended to disobey the president's direct-orders, a lot.
George C. Marshal
7 words: GI bill, Marshall Plan, and Berlin Airlift.
-Cons: Pearl Harbor
Would you like to learn more? Put your hand on that wall.
tl;dr: 110% combat-casualties and 654 days on the line without relief.
MacArthur: Trading US-divisions for time he didn't have.
Inevitably each of their strategies proved to be inferior in the end, as both the Khan's and Rommel's overall missions failed, seeing as the Mongolians fell to a power-hungry feud, and Rommel ultimately failed his duty in both Normandy and Africa.
Tactics might be a better way to put it. Undoubtedly, the Khan ran into a lot of logistics issues, but he still managed to form the largest land empire. His early military campaigns relied a lot on Chinese cavalry, catapults and siege-based warfare, which wasn't always the perfect method of battle for certain terrain. Best example of this would probably be seen in the Mongol's terror within Eastern Iran. At Urgench the city was built along a river with a marshy terrain that had a lack of rocks to use for these catapults which sort of put the Khan at a stalemate. Even with this, he still managed to conquer Urgench, but with much higher casualties than usual.
As for Rommel, I would agree his tactics out weighed that of his military strategy, even if it was long term. That being said, Rommel really didn't always have a problem with a lack of supplies or units under his control. In my opinion, Rommel's prime lasted until early 1943, where the rapid fall of Nazi Germany began.
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