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"You're a Fake Geek!" and Sexism among Geeks/Nerds/Etc (us)

So Gwazi, here is what your post should have looked like!

[My] goal posts never changed :P You're trying to prove that spam does (or at least can) have Intelligent conversations. I'm showing how they've never shown any reason for people to believe that. I'll admit my wording/deliever with the McDonalds point was off/out of line. The point with McDonalds was highlighting the general environment/what it takes to work. McDonald's the requirements are pretty low, cook fries, take an order. Purpose/end result being people get food.

To be fair, it does work if you're looking for a High School boot camp sort of thing. Or you happen to enjoy constantly playing social mind-games to gain popularity points.. But it does not work at all as a place for people to be accepted/looked on by merit, skills and abilities (well, if those skills and abilities are anywhere other than being socially charming that is).

/gwazi

This is what your posts should look like when you're trying to have an intelligent discussion, I took out all the crap that was just repetitive or pointless.

Suicide, Tragic or Selfish?

Kestrel said
Only if it's the woman.

*tips fedora*

m'lady.

So Boerd said
The argument here can be used to justify anything.So you are telling me that if a husband or wife is tired of the kids they can just take their share of the money, hop on a plane to Cancun and the other partner is selfish for wanting the kids to have their mother/father and the absentee parent is not? Give me a break.

This is so stupid it actually hurts in my soul.

Vaccines?

Nevis said
Does that leave me the only one here who says 'no' to vaccines?

Yes, just so you know, vaccines don't cause autism or something weird like that.

e: also you not getting vaccinated puts the rest of us in danger.

"You're a Fake Geek!" and Sexism among Geeks/Nerds/Etc (us)

Right, except you've set up an arbitrary standard of what "intelligent conversation" is, which is silly, in my mind intelligence comes from brevity. Look at your post, how many things could have been cut out and still gotten your point across? You've almost buried your point behind this dumb McDonald's thing.

Here, I'm going to do you a favor, from someone who has been on a debate team / judged debates. (Because when you say "Intelligent Conversation," what you're actually describing is debates or white noise agreements.)

Magic Magnum said Goal posts never changed :P
You're trying to prove that spam does (or at least can) have Intelligent conversations.
I'm showing how they've never shown any reason for people to believe that.

I'll admit my wording/deliever with the McDonalds point was off/out of line.
The point with McDonalds was highlighting the general environment/what it takes to work.
McDonald's the requirements are pretty low, cook fries, take an order. Purpose/end result being people get food.

This is good, it gets your point across, and it does it succinctly.

Magic Magnum said It would be inaccurate to say that such an environment was one that's good for something like science or long discussion.
It's possible they could, but it's not an environment set up to do so.

While positions such as scientist require a lot of effort, dedication, education, discipline etc to pull off.
And if you do it well the end result is the benefit/advancement of humankind.

If McDonald's want to claim they're at that level, they're free to. But they need to prove it.
And them simply saying "You need to look at us more" or "Those scientist are just mad cause they wouldn't get along with us" are not good arguments.

This whole part? Repetition. Cut it

Magic Magnum said Not meaning to claim OT = Scientists though, no where close. But it is a community that has easily proved it's merits for Intellectual conversation and addressing the argument, not the individual.

This is pointedly not true, and I've repeatedly provided evidence that it isn't.

Magic Magnum said While spam, has established itself as a community that addresses the individual, not the argument. And if they do address the argument it's usually "TLDR, I don't like reading".

This is a completely valid criticism, and only shit writers would ignore the fact that writing a thousand words when a hundred would do is just bad writing. Git gud.

Magic Magnum said And that last bit follows logic same as "Stop saying High School mentality/cliches are silly. You're just mad at not being on top".
Spam runs on a broken and vicious system, we've even had people here who did come out on top of there system admit this.
You don't need to be popular/accepted by a system before being able to say if it works and/or makes sense.

To be fair, it does work if you're looking for a High School boot camp sort of thing.
Or you happen to enjoy constantly playing social mind-games to gain popularity points.
But it does not work at all as a place for people to be accepted/looked on by merit, skills and abilities (well, if those skills and abilities are anywhere other than being socially charming that is).

Your point is flaccid, and doesn't work when the people who are most popular are those who can best fit together a sentence in a succinct way. You've conflated being long winded and verbose with intelligence. This simply isn't true. You would be marked down for a statement like this especially when it's not backed up by evidence. You're arguing from a bad position because you can't prove a negative, so you're already at a disadvantage, every appeal to emotion over logic is just another point against you.

It doesn't matter how a particular sub-forum makes you "feel" only the facts, the fact is that a majority of the best off-topic people post in spam, but many of the best spammers feel off-topic is beneath them. Stop projecting your highschool insecurities onto a sub-forum.

Not to mention the whole "Let's try to get X banned" that happens behind the scenes in off-topic, but that's besides to point, so I won't talk about that.

(Because it's not related to the argument, which is whether or not spam conversation is intelligent.)

So the direction spam is moving.

Blitzkrieg said
Honestly, I like OT, I just wish they would stop with the over-fluffing of their posts. It makes people disinterested and doesn't make you look at smart as you think it does.

That's what I'm saying, but like an OT person would.

Settle a debate between me and a friend it's about butts it's worth your time

Azarthes said
Oh so that's why I haven't noticed you lately

Help, I'm gettin' so much pussy my dicks startin' to prune.

Strangest Roleplays

Yes.

Suicide, Tragic or Selfish?

So Boerd said
Thinking about it is effectively beyond your control. Doing is not, and doing makes you selfish.

This is an uber-bad opinion.

So the direction spam is moving.

mbl said
That's what we berate off topic for?

Well, one of the reason. The main reason we berate them is that they are try-hards who hide their shitty opinions behind a thin veneer of pseudo-intellectuality, and big posts.

Settle a debate between me and a friend it's about butts it's worth your time

Azarthes said
You're the one dating someone half a state away

We moved in together.