Uhmm, I don't think there's a limit on how high someone could fly, I was asking for curiosity, though if she has frail build, I doubt she can fly as high as other people with better endurance due to the temperature and wind strength, dunno.

For the speed though...Um, well, you realize that charging would mean she won't be able to move as fast as she can, right? She practically might feel like she's standing still during charging.

I take it the numbers next to names in the ability are how much Dust used for it? They also share Dust capacity, right?

Note: If she had next to no physical strength, I doubt trying to parry or bat flying projectiles is a good idea.

Alphakoka said
Uhmm, I don't think there's a limit on how high someone could fly, I was asking for curiosity, though if she has frail build, I doubt she can fly as high as other people with better endurance due to the temperature and wind strength, dunno.For the speed though...Um, well, you realize that charging would mean she won't be able to move as fast as she can, right? She practically might feel like she's standing still during charging. I take it the numbers next to names in the ability are how much Dust used for it? They also share Dust capacity, right?Note: If she had next to no physical strength, I doubt trying to parry or bat flying projectiles is a good idea.

1. Your right. I should set a limit to how high she can fly with ease then any higher would take considerable concentration. I think that would be fair. you?
2. Yes. I completely understand the charging movement restrictions. I though she would be able to hover or something similar but still be able to fly.
3.You Win! Yes, the number on the sides of the skill indicate how much dust she needs to perform and the name besides indicates which personality is able to use which skill. Those with out indicators can be used by both. Also, you are right they all do share the same Dust capacity for they are both the same body
4. She doesn't need physical strength. Her weapon has no weight what so ever to her but is able to augment its own weight and size for all others. If that makes any sense...

I think that answers all of your thoughts. Feel free to critique as hard as you want. I am forever a student.

I figured I might as well point it out. For faster feedback.

4. I don't think he meant that it was a problem because her weapons had a certain weight, but because projectiles tend to have force and mass behind them (usually requiring the use of strength to deflect)

That is all ^_^

For those who were offended by my post: I apologize. My intention was not to offend anyone or to be elitist. But my point still stands. I come from a generation of fighters where my character is no where near OP and frankly, the restrictions I had put on him gives me disadvantages. The people I grew up fighting (both legendary RP fighters and those from my generation) use powers sometimes greater than Seed's. Now. With that being said the powers isn't what makes the fighter, it's how the fighter uses those powers. Literally the age of fighting I come from is exactly what Skalla had described. Think of it as drag racing. You bring your car. I bring mine. Let's see who will win with what we have. Oh look, surprise! I got nitro! - Or, when you cut in front of your opponent you drop a load of spikes. While we normally have it split between the three tiers (realism, hybrid, fantasy) it is up to you to create a character that can combat so many different concepts.

Now. As for my comment on the quality of fighters, I was not saying that you lot were bad fighters. I haven't fought any of you so I can not determine the skill level of any of you. The quality I was referring to is the fighting quality in each of you. The drive to fight. To go the extreme and say screw boundries and restrictions, I'm going to throw a fucking planet at you. Or for those who would PREFER but not limited to, a sword based combat with mild magic useage. Instead you've drawn a line. Something that will digress the genre of combat, in my opinion. Combat was thriving last I was here and it was exactly the mindset myself and the rest of my generation had. Bring your A game and see if you live. I've hosted tournaments here, I hosted factions (though I disappeared before I could see it unfold properly) and the idea of an Arena Multiverse was being born.

However, with all of this being said and done if there truly are going to be limitations and restrictions I don't think I'd want to participate. I've been fighting for a decade now and as much as I enjoy low level fights...I created Seed for a reason. I spent multiple years birthing this being and I want to use him. If I can't here, then so be it. I will simply drag my ass out of here and find somewhere that can. I'm disappointed that this place had changed so drastically as I was looking forward to a return. Possibly even set up a school to teach others as I'm mostly retired.

But what can you do. -Shrug-

You can create your own RP and shape it to your own preferences. That's what you can do. Lol. No one is stopping you from creating your own universe with your own rules (or lack of rules). While most of the sites I've written on and RP's I've participated in would be limited to tiers 5 and lower, I think I might actually enjoy fighting a character on Seed's level. I'd just have to break through the "huge super-powers are PGing" mentality that I've developed in regards to my own characters and get used to slinging buildings at people. So to speak.

Or I could just show up with a flamethrower. Your choice. Lol.

Ahh Seed we come a different time. Our generation is now considered elitist op godmode etc. The high level fighters are no longer accepted on many sites

Green said
I figured I might as well point it out. For faster feedback.4. I don't think he meant that it was a problem because her weapons had a certain weight, but because projectiles tend to have force and mass behind them (usually requiring the use of strength to deflect) That is all ^_^

My thought process is thus.

Swinging a weapon is about speed, weight, and momentum. If she herself has no physical prowess but she wields a weapon that acts as if the wielder had a certain amount of strength, mass, and momentum then even with out her strength she would be able to hit like a literal giant while being as small as she is. So if the blow has enough force then shouldn't that determine whether or not the blow is able to deter opposition?

@Seed Having been around during parts of the older generation, a few years back. I know where you're coming from, Seed. I catch your drift. And we're not saying that you shouldn't stick around the guild for some amazing battles, and so on. Heck, maybe you'll even light that old fire. It's just that this particular Multiverse, is low-tier. It is, for some reason, not following the traditional tier system. Gods know why, but whatever. Feel free to build an Ultraverse; High-tier (or free tier) if you want. I'm sure some of us would throw some characters at it. Because why not.

@Damage - I wasn't aware there was any force behind any blows she could throw, since it was mentioned she lacked any and all strength. I haven't read her bio. I just went by what I saw. If there is force behind it, then I guess that's not what the dude was trying to say. Pay no attention to the Green fellow :)

On the top of the 4th page of the casual interest check is a roleplay called mortal claim saga that you might want to check out. Characters of almost any power level will be able to interact in a lot of stories involving the multiverse. Limits might only be placed on some individual stories. There's no level up system because it happens naturally over a realistic time period.

Gado is right Seed, this is a very low-tier system that doesn’t go by T1 or even uses the tiers properly. We come from the era when your name was recognized, and you ventured to other sites to fight other named fighters. A time when the clans warred across multiple sites, invading and killing named fighters if they could, and if not there would be protracted long battles that engulfed many fighters allied with the invaders or the defenders.

I remember when the great war between magic and technology occurred and when the last mages fell to the gunfighters of the technocracy. This was the time that we learned to fight in, but now things are different. Moderately powered fighters are the norm, and fighting is more of a genial thing instead of actually developing rivalries.

I doubt many here know or even remember these fighters; Ran, Alucroas, Guts, Nonpariel, Jace, Circ, SSJ3Mewtwo, Saladin, Remeaus, Asimov much less care.

Join the mortal claims saga and we can work together to make that happen. It's getting it's own forum in development and can also do stuff here as well.

@ImportantNobody - I think what Skalla and Seed is talking about is the good old days of established Arena combat. The sort of thing where your rivals and competitors are so good that the only way to cope is to strive to surpass them. The sort of epic everyone-knows-your-name-if-you-defeat-that-one-guy-you-damn-legend-you sort of thing that can't help but leave people in a comatose of awe. That is, if I got the general jizt of it :)

@Skalla - I miss the proper tier system. It was so neat. Seems to have vanished from the interwebs, as far as I can tell. It is with regret that I tell you that I have not heard of any of the mighty warriors you've mentioned, as I kept myself in the high-mid tiers while learning the ropes. I remember seeing this one guy over at Rp-Gateway pulling the coolest Tjekov's gun maneouver I've seen to date. It was simple, but elegant. He was fighting this one dude in a mecha suit, and was horribly outgunned as well as severely wounded from previous fights (this was the finale of a tournament, if I recall correctly), and he mentioned holding a grenade in one of the very first posts. Then he proceeded to get his ass kicked for several posts, before dropping the grenade which exploded right in the face of the mecha dude. If I recall correctly, the guy with the grenade got shot to pieces right afterwards.. but man, it was inspiring as hell, there is no way I can re-tell the tale in a way that does it justice.. I think I had a point, but I forgot about it half-way into the write-up.

Green said
@ImportantNobody - I think what Skalla and Seed is talking about is the good old days of established Arena combat. The sort of thing where your rivals and competitors are so good that the only way to cope is to strive to surpass them. The sort of epic everyone-knows-your-name-if-you-defeat-that-one-guy-you-damn-legend-you sort of thing that can't help but leave people in a comatose of awe. That is, if I got the general jizt of it :)

I don't have connections to those people, but if some of you still do then my multiverse thing could be used to bring such fighters together for an ultimate battle. In this multiverse there can be threads made for any storyline, so a thread (or multiple threads) can be made for a no holds barred battle of ultimate destruction while people who like the smaller, sword fighting with minimal powers can have their own thread. That keeps everyone happy while all the characters can participate.

I couldn't post the link on my iPhone but here's the link to the interest check now that I'm at the computer: Click me
I'd have to use a more serious combat character for such an event, and indeed I do have a few really powerful and versatile ones.

DamageOverTime said
1. Your right. I should set a limit to how high she can fly with ease then any higher would take considerable concentration. I think that would be fair. you?2. Yes. I completely understand the charging movement restrictions. I though she would be able to hover or something similar but still be able to fly.3.You Win! Yes, the number on the sides of the skill indicate how much dust she needs to perform and the name besides indicates which personality is able to use which skill. Those with out indicators can be used by both. Also, you are right they all do share the same Dust capacity for they are both the same body4. She doesn't need physical strength. Her weapon has no weight what so ever to her but is able to augment its own weight and size for all others. If that makes any sense...I think that answers all of your thoughts. Feel free to critique as hard as you want. I am forever a student.

DamageOverTime said
My thought process is thus.Swinging a weapon is about speed, weight, and momentum. If she herself has no physical prowess but she wields a weapon that acts as if the wielder had a certain amount of strength, mass, and momentum then even with out her strength she would be able to hit like a literal giant while being as small as she is. So if the blow has enough force then shouldn't that determine whether or not the blow is able to deter opposition?

Got it, I don't think I have any problem with it, final decision is still in Crapton's hand as our current GM though.

Gado, these are the revised Anime-League tiers that were used to train fighters. They were used to evaluate the fighters writing skill and if they were good enough to move on to the next tier. Points had nothing to do with it, you fought and displayed a level of skill and judges would determine if you were good enough to move on. I cannot find the original tier ratings.

Level 1 || This is the general human level, encompassing the power attainable by the average Joe and is limited to the most basic of technological weapons, like guns, crossbow and knives—maybe even a scooter if in the wrong hands.

Level 2|| Human abilities at their peak, but still nothing overtly supernatural. Examples would be a genius IQ, very minor spell-casting ability (I’m talking sparking dried brush into flame). Technological objects such as laser guns fall under this level.

Level 3|| Genetic, cybernetic, divine or magical enhancements that allow you to run as fast as a sports car, jump anime style, or bench three-hundred pounds without breaking a sweat—as well as other physical modifications of that level. Dexterity level equal to an expert marksman, low level psionics and spellcasting ability, super-genius intelligence quotient and martial arts master are other examples of Level 3 abilities. Equipment falls under the same range of power.

Level 4 || Examples of Level 4 powers and abilities include Mad Scientist level genius and scientific ability, long ranged telepathy, magical powers that to not involve a divine patron, and the ability to shoot flaming bats with magic arrows of light without the aide of that damnable fairy partner. In general, the range of ability to be expected from a Jedi Padawan of Star Wars or a Gennin Ninja of Naruto—as well as the use of cybernetics, alchemy, and so on to simulate any of that.

Level 5 || The basics of nano-technology capable of regenerating minor wounds, or alternatively wizardry or clerical ability capable of the same. You can pilot your own short range star fighter and have access to technology so advanced as to be almost magical in nature. The ability to fly for any reason you can think of that makes any rudimentary amount of plot logic. Your character may have the reflexes and skills of an elite Jedi Knight, the speed of Saito Hajime, and the power to take down Trinity of The Matrix with ease.

Level 6 || The ability to heal major damage taken both personally, or by others, through the method of your choice. The charisma and influence necessary to muster an army of elite soldiers, and access to the technology needed to build and operate a small space craft capable of interstellar travel (or a magic dragon from the future, whatever floats your boat). Your powers and skills rival those of Gandalf the White, Obi-Wan Kenobi and Himura Kenshin at their best.

Level 7 || Personal shielding and an Imperial Star Destroyer for a flagship; computer expertise that can take down Borg Cubes, and you may have weapons so slick and high tech that they make the ladies hot and bothered. You can distort space-time at will with your magic, enough so to influence events worlds or even years away, and your physical strikes can no longer even be seen. Armies of grizzled veterans--wearing too much steel to stand up on their own—will carry your banner to war and ride really expensive looking horses across the battlefield. You could out gun an Agent in the Matrix or beat him down with your martial arts, and powers and abilities compare to Mace Windu of Star Wars, Ultimecia Final Fantasy, and Hyuuga Ricdeau of Xenogears.

Level 8 || The firewalls of the Death Star and Magi Supercomputers fall with ease before your unbeatable hacking skills. You can repair lost limbs and destroyed vital functions expediently. Your powers can cut down small armies, and shield you from the effects of nuclear weapons. You are no longer merely limited to viewing other worlds and epochs from afar, but may now visit them personally. Powers are of comparable scale to Marvel’s Magneto and Doctor Strange.

Level 9 || That your powers rank less then omnipotent and have finite energy requirements are essentially your only restrictions at this point.

Level 10|| Anything becomes possible within the restraints of the rules of the forum and common sense.

Wow, if this is what the old days were like, Im really glad I missed out on all that. Not to be rude here, at least not intentionally, but it just sounds so pretentious. The reason rules are in place here is so that there are no arguments about whats fair and what isnt. My character Samuel is able to rip apart universes at will. Thats not fair to anyone! I dont see how having a limiting power set makes it a lesser RP. "Oh no, everyone is kind of on the same playing field and now you really have to make sure that you out-think the opponent, because you can't straight up overpower them." Otherwise, what's from stopping someone from just being outright invincible and not being hurt by anything? Having points doesn't make it worse just because you can't have a character that rips planets apart right from the start.

Biddz not to be rude but what makes you think rules were not in place for fights? Did you think we just threw around powers willy-nilly without a way to fairly adjudicate them in a fight? The tiers as I said were used to teach fighters a progressive amount of power without overwhelming them. If you think we didn't have to out think our opponents back then, you are sadly mistaken, that was really the only way you could beat someone was to think of the fight like a chess match.

Schradinger said
I've been getting curious lately about why various comic books and also this site claim that peak human strength is the ability to dead lift 600 lbs, so I went and looked it up. Imagine my surprise when I found out that the deadlift record is just a hair over 1,000 lbs. Which brings me to my question. Is there a particular reason that the "peak human" strength is 400 lbs short of actual peak human strength?

There will always be a world record strength and that number will always be rising. Now, with Tier 1 supposed to be human level, the limits still fit for 99.999% of humans.

"I'm gonna throw a fucking planet at you."

Seems to ring a bell here.

Ok, so tier 1 is just your average everyday Joe with no outstanding skills, abilities, or physical traits, and tier 2 would be the real-life master martial artists or marine force recon snipers, or world-class bodybuilding weightlifters, or Olympic athletes? And Tier 3 would be like Daredevil, Bullseye, or the Punisher?