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idlehands said
Um, what do my parents have to do with anything. Neither wore chaps.>.> Unless you're using the British slang. I mean the clothing worn by cowboys and bikers.


I'm joking.
I'm just saying that you were raised to wear clothes with no covering for your butt cheeks. :D
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It made potty training easier.
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It made potty training easier.


Why bother with clothes at all
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Why bother with clothes at all


Because sanitation.
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ImANargleHunter said
Why bother with clothes at all


The Nexerus said
Because sanitation.


stop mentally scarring me
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That must of been a surprise for them. :P



Griever said MOST of the guys I know are fine with "straight-acting" homosexuality, but still openly despise any flamboyant or "extra" behaviors, i.e. assless chaps, speedos/jockstraps, crazy costumes and hitting on str8 guys. Contrary to what you believe, this is the mentality of most heterosexual LGBTQ-supporters.


Speaking as a Straight Ally/LGBTQ supporter (as in to the point in my college's Pride Club it sadly got to the point where only I was making an effort to show), people who accept one expression of sexuality & gender identity but not another aren't actual LGBTQ supporters.
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The Nexerus said
Because sanitation.


Sanitation is for chumps
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Learn to love the stank.
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That must of been a surprise for them. :PSpeaking as a Straight Ally/LGBTQ supporter (as in to the point in my college's Pride Club it sadly got to the point where it got to the point where only I was making an effort to show), people who accept one expression of sexuality & gender identity but not another aren't actual LGBTQ supporters.


Eh, I don't think that's necessarily true. Just because you tolerate a different demographic, doesn't mean you have to tolerate all behaviors by that group.

For example, I have many intelligent, successful black friends, but I still openly condemn the ratchetness that is so prevalent in the Afro-American community. I am, for all intents and purposes, a black-American ally and my condemnation of the worst aspects of black culture does not diminish that.
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Griever said Eh, I don't think that's necessarily true. Just because you tolerate a different demographic, doesn't mean you have to tolerate behaviors by that group. For example, I have many intelligent, successful black friends, but I still openly condemn the ratchetness that is so prevalent in the Afro-American community. I am, for all intents and purposes, a black-American ally and my condemnation of the worst aspects of black culture does not diminish that.


*Re-reads my post through the quote*

GAH! My Grammar! D:

Anyways, fair point.

On better reflection it would of been more accurate for me to say, "You are a LGBTQ supporter, but one who still confines people to sex/gender roles" for those who like masculine Gay men but not the feminine ones.
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Eh, I don't think that's necessarily true. Just because you tolerate a different demographic, doesn't mean you have to tolerate behaviors by that group. For example, I have many intelligent, successful black friends, but I still openly condemn the ratchetness that is so prevalent in the Afro-American community. I am, for all intents and purposes, a black-American ally and my condemnation of the worst aspects of black culture does not diminish that.


and it's understandable because the gay community itself can be prejudiced against more effeminate gays, so it's not exactly just an external prejudice. But then, if you're just yourself and not very flamboyant or noticeably gay, there's a little pushback against that too pretty often.
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Why bother with clothes at all


Extend this philosophy to when you want to say... go get some fast food or some shit.
It's pretty uhm.

Awkward mostly.
Don't do that, guys.
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That must of been a surprise for them. :PSpeaking as a Straight Ally/LGBTQ supporter (as in to the point in my college's Pride Club it sadly got to the point where only I was making an effort to show), people who accept one expression of sexuality & gender identity but not another aren't actual LGBTQ supporters.


There's a difference between what's right and what's real.

Just because supporting one piece of LGBT but not another probably isn't the right thing to do, doesn't mean tons of people don't actually think that way and not consider it a big deal.

Griever's kind of right about this. It's a thing that's true, whether or not it's ideal.
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There's a difference between what's right and what's real.Just because supporting one piece of LGBT but not another probably isn't the right thing to do, doesn't mean tons of people don't actually think that way and not consider it a big deal.Griever's kind of right about this. It's a thing that's true, whether or not it's ideal.


I wasn't arguing such people don't exist. I was arguing they aren't an actual supporter or ally if their support is circumstantial like that.
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Extend this philosophy to when you want to say... go get some fast food or some shit. It's pretty uhm. Awkward mostly. Don't do that, guys.


I'd like a Big Mac, please. And a vanilla milkshake... extra whipped cream.
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I wasn't arguing such people don't exist. I was arguing they aren't an actual supporter or ally if their support is circumstantial like that.


I don't really agree with that premise, myself. It's lame and annoying, but everyone has biases and issues. It's something that they try to be supportive in some way. It's sort of popular to hate on effeminate gays while overall being cool with same-sex attraction, so a lot of people just kind of go along with that. It might be more accurate to say they just don't like obnoxious/in your face people, which gays can also be. But yeah, don't think it makes him a 'no true supporter' type deal. Just one with blind spots.
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ImANargleHunter said
Extra whipped cream


I've always wondered if people actually do that.
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I don't really agree with that premise, myself. It's lame and annoying, but everyone has biases and issues. It's something that they try to be supportive in some way. It's sort of popular to hate on effeminate gays while overall being cool with same-sex attraction, so a lot of people just kind of go along with that. It might be more accurate to say they just don't like obnoxious/in your face people, which gays can also be. But yeah, don't think it makes him a 'no true supporter' type deal. Just one with blind spots.


Fair enough in that at least their somewhat supportive.

It could be a culture difference though but I personally find the effeminate gays tend to be more liked/popular among people than others. They may also get bullied more often than gay people who aren't that way though, but that's largely due to the fact that their sexuality becomes more obvious by how they are effeminate. But when you get a known masculine gay man compared to an effeminate gay man both will be picked on equally, but the effeminate typically having a bigger crowd of friends and popularity among the rest of the student body.

Though it is worth nothing that this is strictly experience from High School, in my two years of college I have never once seen a case of Homophobia take place. I know it happens, but I've never been witness to one so I can't report to the general culture/behaviour there. Also, my High School constantly got sexualities wrong anyways. They thought I was Gay (I'm straight) simply because I wasn't constantly staring at or hitting on girls in the school.
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On the off chance anyone cares or remembers, everything went according to plan.

NY Pride was great and I had a wonderful time and left the volunteer thing with 2 free bottles of white wine because that's all I could fit in my bag.
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