I believe much of that has to do with we aren't exactly sure how much supplies and such cost. Essentially considering things in the 1700' s were priced differently than today

Also it seems like the ships I got from Numburg weren't added to my sheet, nor any soldiers from the recruiting program.

Hey, fair is fair gowia is busy at the moment. We can't expect him to do everything.

Hey, sorry about not being on earlier...anyways I am treating GDP as available funds simply because in a previous version of this I have seen somebody actually go 'I am going to completely reform my infrastructure and build 15 ships of line and another 20 brigs" however people seem a lot more sensible about that so I may make it a guideline...I think I shall do that now...your GDP will go back up. :)

Yeah right now I am trying to pick out exact changes I need to make and as was said those were simply the easiest for me to pick out. However with only 2-3 posts per update it is now going to be a lot easier for me.

gowia said
Hey, sorry about not being on earlier...anyways I am treating GDP as available funds simply because in a previous version of this I have seen somebody actually go 'I am going to completely reform my infrastructure and build 15 ships of line and another 20 brigs" however people seem a lot more sensible about that so I may make it a guideline...I think I shall do that now...your GDP will go back up. :) Yeah right now I am trying to pick out exact changes I need to make and as was said those were simply the easiest for me to pick out. However with only 2-3 posts per update it is now going to be a lot easier for me.

Even with the 3 post limit per a update thats still 24 posts(8 Nations * 3 post per a nation) to pick through. Must be hard organizing all of the stats.

Duck, I am not giving you exact soldier numbers yet as the for me the drive hasnt yet finished however in the next update it will be given a number. Shipwise, I cant find the ships or numbers you have bought. Do you mind just posting them here and I can update that.

EDIT: It is a BITCH, especially since I don't have a list of actions you are only allowed to take (makes everything shit) so I have a postit on my screen literally with a list of upgrades and updates I need to include in a certain time frame. :)

1 Frigate
3 Brigs
2 Barques
1 Galley
Thats the amount of ships Numburg transferred to me.
And yeah, I can understand not the exact amount being given yet. Im also either going to await for a random event and the colonial fleets to arrive before I post again. The only thing I really want to do right now is to redirect recruits for training up to regular status but thats not worthy of a post of it's own.

duck55223 said
1 Frigate3 Brigs2 Barques1 GalleyThats the amount of ships Numburg transferred to me.And yeah, I can understand not the exact amount being given yet. Im also either going to await for a random event and the colonial fleets to arrive before I post again. The only thing I really want to do right now is to redirect recruits for training up to regular status but thats not worthy of a post of it's own.

Cheers for that, colonial fleets will begin arriving in the next update up until the 3 one so people will be building colonies before the year is out.

Ah, okay. I crapped myself when I saw it "Shit maybe I shouldn't think of this rebel group as a fringe threat" xD

darkwolf687 said
Ah, okay. I crapped myself when I saw it "Shit maybe I shouldn't think of this rebel group as a fringe threat" xD

Haha yeah sorry about that :P

Also whats the technological era? I know its 1700 but the world is different enough that we could be more advanced, perhaps we are at the start of the industrial revolution and we have basic steam power and important inventions are coming in?

We are at the end of the sail etc. However steam engines and more industrial stuff will be inventions that come along in this.

Can I have the mechanical reaper first? That way when the factories come along not everyone is focused on being a farmer.

And while this may seem a bit mean im gonna put it down to a lack of religion, it was the dark ages that slowed human development and those ages were fueled by religion.

Perhaps...I am not putting any promises like that in the OOC.

duck55223 said
Can I have the mechanical reaper first? That way when the factories come along not everyone is focused on being a farmer.And while this may seem a bit mean im gonna put it down to a lack of religion, it was the dark ages that slowed human development and those ages were fueled by religion.

Churches could also be credited with the beginning of public education, honestly, I don't think much would change aside from the lack of churches. Absence of religion would most likely only increase our technological development now, as we have begun to come across theories that completely disprove religion and thus an "us vs. them" mentality has formed. Obviously, without religion we would be more advanced due to the absence of doctrine, but not significant enough to throw us a century forward. The Dark Ages honestly didn't make that much of a difference, the technology at the time means that very few discoveries have been made, as scientific development is exponential. Of course, without doctrine we would have learned far more about our surroundings, and have many technologies that were theoretical in the 1700's, but nothing more. Instead, I would put it down as an alternate universe quirk, maybe the humans here are significantly more willing to work together, or perhaps one person existed who invented steam power earlier than the date it occurred in our own universe.

Also, I doubt that there is no religion here, it probably just hasn't been shown by anyone yet. I believe I somewhat implied the existence of multiple different belief systems coexisting in my nation, so perhaps the religions here have relaxed doctrines compared to those in our own universe. Besides, without religion we could have no holy wars, and someone will undoubtedly want to have one at some point. Besides preventing offense, marking it down to tolerant religions is more plausible than having no religion, as it is somewhat of a universal thing in cultural development. Caveman looks at ground, wonders how ground got there. Caveman looks at shy, sees stars. Caveman is afraid, Caveman wants someone to keep him safe. Caveman decides the stars made ground, and are watching over him, and thus begins religion. Obviously that is only how most religions begin, if you are religions do not take that as an attack on your religion, it is just how most begin. I'm not naming anything so that you can view that as something that happened to start the religions you do not subscribe to. If you hold strong beliefs, do not react to any comments here regarding those beliefs and their validity, as I do not want to see this whole thing torn apart by a flame war. Those are bad. Apologies to anyone who does not share my views and/or finds them impossible due to their own beliefs, I do not mean to offend.

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Actually not to be a thorn in anyone's side but historically speaking the dark ages had a lack of religion, that's why (along with the lack of proper documentation at the time) they are called the dark ages.

The great enlightenment and renaissance are when religion truly ruled people's lives. During the dark ages The Catholic church(most of Europe was catholic or orthodox) was very corrupt at this time, this lead to the breaking of the church and the formation of the protestant church and the beginning of the enlightenment.

The Dark ages were a period of feudal war that ground out nations after the fall of the Roman Empire.

This had been a history lesson with MrFoxNews

Cheers Gentlemen :P

welp
i feel dumb now.

Haha no its an easy misconception given the time period, religion was prevalent I shouldn't have said it wasn't. It was just very corrupt and the people new it.

Proper historians shy away from calling that Dark Ages 'Dark Ages' because it honestly had a lot going for it.

For one thing, slavery went out of style during the Dark Ages. Romans had notoriously loved them some slaves, but improvements in farming technology and better-bred draft animals made forced human labor less necessary as time progressed. Instead, the classes that would probably have found themselves in slavery were mostly either free workers or, at worst, serfs. The latter were still technically not free (they couldn't leave the land without their lord's permission), but enjoyed a much greater freedom than slaves.

The rise of Christianity, while admittedly resulting in a lot of people being set on fire, also saw a dramatic increase in charities. Almost immediately after the church gained a foothold in Europe, they started introducing a widespread system of charity that distributed food, clothing, and money to those in need. Perhaps not by coincidence, the concepts of goodwill hospices, hospitals, and shelters for the poor were also invented during the "dark" ages, paving the way for the public health care system.

It wasn't even has intellectually dead you people believe, since Emperor Charlemagne created Carolingian minuscule during this period of time too. Prior to Carolingian minuscule, handwriting was a wild, lawless, anything-goes field. Uppercase, lowercase, and random spacing ran rampant, and individual scholars treated the rules of spelling and alphabet mostly as polite suggestions. The standardized, fast, effective Carolingian minuscule introduced revolutionary concepts such as cases, punctuation, and spaces between words. This dramatically sped up both writing and reading.

True, most of the population couldn't read or write at the time, but to be honest that was pretty standard for all ages until recently.

Nations Name: Regency of Caer

Flag: A white flag with a gold vertical line down the center and two gold parallel horizontal lines at equal distance apart that cut across the vertical line.

Form of Government: Regency and Monarchy

Describe the System:

The Regent of Caer has complete authority over the land and answers to the former Kings council.

Location on Map Desired: Whatever is left

Capital: Located in the center of Caer's borders lies a city called Dorian, the city is built for maximum efficiency when it comes to utilizing space. Taking a look at the blue prints shows a grid-like system with a street large enough for two wagons to pass each other with ease going in opposite directions. It is filled with riches and luxurious materials that the higher class indulges in more than they should.

Important Settlements:

Christendale
Mooringlye
Dakwood

Description:

Only the most fortunate can survive in the cities, middle class no longer exists if it ever had at all. Poverty is rising, crime is rising, and the state of the cities and nation itself is on the brink of collapse. The king has disappeared and with that the Prince being to young to rules the General of Caer has deemed himself Regent of Caer until the king returns. Maintenance is low and people are tired, small armies are still maintained but the population grows weary of their leader, the rich, and the military presence. Taverns are empty, streets are deserted, curfews have been placed and martial law is in order.

Important Characters:

Gabriel Edward Bane (31) (General)

Tristan Dante Caer (9) (Prince)

Traits:

Professional Army: Your nation’s army is well trained and equipped with good weapons, performing better in battle. -3

Small Army: Your nation maintains a relatively small number of troops, when fielded in battle against another nation your forces are almost always outnumbered. +2

Strong Industry: Your craftsmen and labourers are good quality and hardworking making some of your nations goods very reliable, sometimes fetching a high price from a market. -2

Landlubbers: Your sailors don't exactly train on a boat, boarding and marine forces perform slightly worse due to the moving deck. +1

Depleted Materials: After years of exploitation mines now run dry and woods no longer exist, your nation has to import its goods and anything that is made from your own raw materials is highly coveted and so expensive its not worth the cost. +3

Army: (I will roll this, navy, GDP and stability.)
Navy:
GDP:
Stability: