natsumehack said
Sherlock wanted a serious discussion that I started, she got one.Even then the only bad things in this thread are people like you, who keep saying stuff like that.

Yet.

Also, I suspect I know what this is about, and if that's the case, then I seriously doubt a single thread is going to change anyone's minds. If you legitimately want people to start taking you seriously, then contribute meaningfully more often and don't make dozens of shit post threads a week.

Either way, if nothing changes then your singular attempt at serious discussion will be meaningless, especially weighed against an entire history of shit posting. We'll see what happens, I suppose.

First of all, you have to throw out these stupid and manipulative terms like 'Pro-Life' and 'Pro-Choice.' They're bullshit for the sake of bullshit, and we should laugh at people who take those words seriously.

Next. Any sane human being needs to approach this conversation with the expectation that his or her opinion is probably wrong. If your argument includes the phrase 'But I personally (don't) think that....' you're being a cunt. Mothers who are considering sucking a baby out through a hose don't give a shit what you think about it, except for the part where you can cause them serious and permanent psychological trauma. Back the fuck off and let them make up their own mind. It's hard enough.

Next, you can't come into this to make a judgment. There's no such thing as a 'typical abortion.' Pregnancy is not a community issue, and neither is terminating pregnancy. These are personal matters, and even if you've gone through an abortion yourself, you don't know shit about the woman next to you who's grappling with the exact same issue. You have nothing to do with it. It's not about you, or what you think, or 'what we should be doing as a country' or whatever bullshitty catchphrase you're using to inject your feelings into the debate.

Next, it's safe to assume that whatever source you're using to get information about abortion statistics is fucking lying to you, because they're probably people, and that's what people do. Here and here are the only sources of data worth a damn. You'll notice that they present a complicated picture of abortion in the US. Fancy that. It's complicated.

Next, intellectual tribalism is fucking retarded, and that's the only way these conversations happen in a national scale. Anybody who uses the phrase 'Abortion rights' when describing a new law is fucking lying to you. Any time someone tells you 'This law is pro-abortion,' they are fucking lying to you. These are facts.

"Did MDK just come in here and say the whole debate is comprised of lying degenerates bullshitting the media and twisting popular perception towards their own fucked-up morality?"

Yeah, kind of, I guess. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't have an opinion. I am a responsible person who will never have to weigh the costs and benefits of potentially murdering a tiny human being. That puts me in a pretty good place, emotionally. I recommend that other people get to such a place.

I take an aggressive stance on abortion

I give people abortions without them asking

I just figure they'll thank me later

AND THERE GOES MDK WITH A POWERBOMB OVER THE TOP TURNBUCKLE!

stronk

Dervish said
Yet.Also, I suspect I know what this is about, and if that's the case, then I seriously doubt a single thread is going to change anyone's minds. If you legitimately want people to start taking you seriously, then contribute meaningfully more often and don't make dozens of shit post threads a week.Either way, if nothing changes then your singular attempt at serious discussion will be meaningless, especially weighed against an entire history of shit posting. We'll see what happens, I suppose.

Putting a whip-cream topping on Dervish's post, I think it's safe to assume what this thread was to begin with.

The general community of Spam really gets sick of the countless, stupid, pointless, nonsense threads Nat pumps out 6-7 times a day. When a mod said something along the lines of posting something serious for once, Nat's thinking was:

"I'll bring an abortion debate to spam, lol"

Guys, this isnt a legitimate attempt on Nat'x behalf to be serious, this is just more of his bullshit. He has an infinite amount of topics to seriously talk about, and he chooses abortion?

And yes, so far this thread is civil and (aside from the OT Crusader above me) the points are kept short and sweet. But it does not matter how these threads begin, they all end the same, unless we stop the conversation it will devolve into something else.

Ignorance is bliss, lets leave this topic for OT to debate, and carry on with our lives.

mdk said
First of all, you have to throw out these stupid and manipulative terms like 'Pro-Life' and 'Pro-Choice.' They're bullshit for the sake of bullshit, and we should laugh at people who take those words seriously.Next. If your argument includes the phrase 'But I personally (don't) think that....' you're being a cunt. Mothers who are considering sucking a baby out through a hose except for the part where you can cause them serious and permanent psychological trauma. Back the fuck off and let them make up their own mind. It's hard enough.Next, you can't come into this to make a judgment. There's no such thing as a 'typical abortion.' Pregnancy is not a community issue, and neither is terminating pregnancy. These are personal matters, and even if you've gone through an abortion yourself, you don't know about the woman next to you who's grappling with the exact same issue. You have nothing to do with it. It's not about you, or what you think, or 'what we should be doing as a country' or whatever bullshitty catchphrase you're using to inject your feelings into the debate. Next, it's safe to assume that whatever source you're using to get information about abortion statistics is fucking lying to you, because they're probably people, and that's what people do. and are the only sources of data worth a damn. You'll notice that they present a complicated picture of abortion in the US. Fancy that. It's complicated.Next, intellectual tribalism is fucking retarded, and that's the only way these conversations happen in a national scale. Anybody who uses the phrase 'Abortion rights' when describing a new law is Any time someone tells you 'This law is pro-abortion,' they are . These are facts. "Did MDK just come in here and say the whole debate is comprised of lying degenerates bullshitting the media and twisting popular perception towards their own fucked-up morality?"Yeah, kind of, I guess. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't have an opinion. I am a responsible person who will never have to weigh the costs and benefits of potentially murdering a tiny human being. That puts me in a pretty good place, emotionally. I recommend that other people get to such a place.

And there goes the thread.

It's going, it's going...
And it's gone.

Right church, wrong pew, Nat. (So to speak.)

/).-

When I said you should 'get more serious', I wasn't implying that you should post about something controversial like abortion... I was thinking more along the lines of posting what music you like or what your favorite movie is -- things that can actually be discussed with other people because they're not the usual weird/random one-off topics that you post. (Things like that don't usually warrant a reply because they're nonsensical and no one really can say much to them, let alone when it's done time and time again, through multiple threads.)

I'm going to chalk this one up to having some wires crossed and, while I am impressed that the topic managed to get three pages in without an absolute shit-storm brewing, I'm going to close the topic and we're all going to move on.

Keep trying, Nat -- we all appreciate the effort when you try contribute more positively.