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Oh it's only the Mage and his followers that will sympathize. The empire as a whole isn't going to be happy with his allegiances.
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That's ok, the second Empire was founded with the help of Akavir.
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That's ok, the second Empire was funded with the help of Akavir.


I always thought they were to cheap to pitch in. :K
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Before I get to work on updating the cyrodiil NS tomorrow, how big exactly is an acceptable number for the imperial legion? I was originally going to base it off the size of roman legions, but that would put the total numbers of all 18 legions at around 100,000 troops. Judging by gcolds latest post and his mention of an invading force numbering in the thousands and being exceedingly powerful, I get the impression that that number is a little high.
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I vaguely remember DarkWolf having a total of 100,000 troops, but then again, its up to Gcold's decision. :P
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It was either that or have him start being manipulated behind the scenes by someone else in the empire, perhaps a powerful Mage or the leader of the Penitus Oculatus. Then after a bit have another figure rise to prominence, expose the plot, and replace the current emperor. It just doesn't feel right to kill off an emperor without some sort of intrigue.Edit: Perhaps the Mage secretly sympathizes with the Akaviri, and so begins to subtly manipulate the emperor into taking a more friendly stance toward them. It could make for all kinds of excellent political intrigue RP.


Aww, You should keep the current Emperor... :(
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Seems everyone and their mother is going to join the Akaviri club. Pretty soon they will have nothing to conquer. XD


I don't like it... It upsets me that everyone seems to be getting along with them... :(
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#Akaviri_resistance
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#Akaviri_resistance


Lol!
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Schradinger said
Before I get to work on updating the cyrodiil NS tomorrow, how big exactly is an acceptable number for the imperial legion? I was originally going to base it off the size of roman legions, but that would put the total numbers of all 18 legions at around 100,000 troops. Judging by gcolds latest post and his mention of an invading force numbering in the thousands and being exceedingly powerful, I get the impression that that number is a little high.


Well Demographics should help allot, as it stands Cyrodiil's estimated strength (using the general rule of thumb of 0.5% of the population recruited into the army) would be around the sum total of 51,936 or so troops under ideal conditions. This takes into account geography and economy. But does not account for losses and damage to infrastructure from the great war.

However that is recruiting solely from Cyrodiil, I'm sure a census is also taken from High Rocks population as well. Which would put the legions total strength, without causing massive economical disaster, in the realm of... roughly 78,101 to be split between the legions. You could easily round that off at 80,000 but that's what I estimated, beats the living hell out of every other province that's for sure.
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Well: The Argonians probably have a little less than a quarter of that in their entire military: at the moment at least.

After the Call of the Hist...Maybe 25000? And that is with nearly every Available Argonian at the call.

Edit: I'm also working on my post now. It has quite a lot going on, so I'll probably get hit hard in the next Cyrodilic Post.
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Well Demographics should help allot, as it stands Cyrodiil's estimated strength (using the general rule of thumb of 0.5% of the population recruited into the army) would be around the sum total of 51,936 or so troops under ideal conditions. This takes into account geography and economy. But does not account for losses and damage to infrastructure from the great war.However that is recruiting solely from Cyrodiil, I'm sure a census is also taken from High Rocks population as well. Which would put the legions total strength, without causing massive economical disaster, in the realm of... roughly 78,101 to be split between the legions. You could easily round that off at 80,000 but that's what I estimated, beats the living hell out of every other province that's for sure.


Where are you getting that figure? I haven't been able to find any population estimates for Cyrodiil. Am I overlooking something?
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The post is up. Again, I did a lot, but a few bits were building off either the previous post or, more importantly, the rather large event that is the Blood Moon.
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Here's my take on the subject.

You will have ten Cyrodiilic legions as your standing army, numbering to roughly 50000, the largest regular ground force of any nations. They are professional troops that you can deploy anytime, obviously with the restriction of traveling time and logistics. Otherwise, you can have more numbers in other armed forces, such as the Penitus Oculatus or local militias. These fighters are not regulars, in the case of militias, they will rely on citizen soldiers, which means they're not as skilled as the legionaries and takes time to mobilize them. Groups like the Penitus Oculatus are obviously not front line soldiers, though they could be used as such. They will trade heavy equipments and numbers for even quicker deployment than the legions, essentially, they're similar to CIA's SAD.

You legions should be mostly infantries, with organic regiments of cavalries and battle-mages attached to each legion. They are comparable to how the Romans organized themselves, with any fantasy elements serving not as primary units but as support to the main force (again infantry).

High Rock is fractured and mostly independent for its defense. Each of the five realms in HR provide its own military, and fight quite differently than the legions. I presume there are local recruitment for Breton legions, but their numbers are much lower than their Cyrodiilic counterparts. I am thinking at most two Breton legions, with a greater focus on magic due the Bretons' natural affinity, totaling to no more than 10000 there.
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Where are you getting that figure? I haven't been able to find any population estimates for Cyrodiil. Am I overlooking something?


TES does not give us much on population aside from the size of every province in the form of square miles, but all you need to learn the rought estimate of a population in a pre-industral age is the general size of the region and then take into account other factors, like farmable land, economic status, and general climate. Cyrodill has the benefit of being large and temperate.

But here's the skeleton for people to do their own sums, beast races and mer races are much harder to pin point due to their very different birth rates to that of men, but not impossible, Black Marsh is fairly unique in that it is almost unlivable except for Argonians. As a side note, Black Marsh came out with the most powerful force if all things are taken into consideration at the start of this, for one they suffered least from the Oblivion crisis, lead a ver successful campaign in Morrowind, and had all that time to rebuild well everyone else was bleeding themselves dry in the Great War.

Out of all the provinces/kingdoms, They would certainly be among the top 3 most powerful realms atm. At least in the start of this, now they've called in more with the hist....The Akaviri really chose the worst place to start their conquest. :P
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GreivousKhan said Black Marsh is fairly unique in that it is almost unlivable except for Argonians. As a side note, Black Marsh came out with the most powerful force if all things are taken into consideration at the start of this, for one they suffered least from the Oblivion crisis, lead a ver successful campaign in Morrowind, and had all that time to rebuild well everyone else was bleeding themselves dry in the Great War. Out of all the provinces/kingdoms, They would certainly be among the top 3 most powerful realms atm. At least in the start of this, now they've called in more with the hist....The Akaviri really chose the worst place to start their conquest. :P


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You mean I'll be forced to emulate the most effective fighting force of the pre-industrial era? Oh bummer... ;)

Joking aside, you're saying that I would have 12 legions to work with right off the bat (including the two composed of Breton conscripts), each composed of around 5000 soldiers, mostly heavy infantry and skirmishers? Then if the need arises, I can call upon six more legions of citizen-soldiers that will take more time to mobilize and have less training and experience than the professional legions (I'm trying to stay true to the 18 legions in elder scrolls canon).
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You mean I'll be forced to emulate the most effective fighting force of the pre-industrial era? Oh bummer... ;)Joking aside, you're saying that I would have 12 legions to work with right off the bat (including the two composed of Breton conscripts), each composed of around 5000 soldiers, mostly heavy infantry and skirmishers? Then if the need arises, I can call upon six more legions of citizen-soldiers that will take more time to mobilize and have less training and experience than the professional legions (I'm trying to stay true to the 18 legions in elder scrolls canon).


Sounds about right. Though I would say 10 regular legions on stand-by, with the 2 Breton legions taking up time and resources to mobilize. I wouldn't go with 6 more legions, since the empire took a big hit from Skyrim's departure. 4 or 5 more Cyrodiilic citizen legions would be more accurate. These legions will be operating at a lower effectiveness than the 10 regulars.
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Sounds about right. Though I would say 10 legions on stand-by, with the Bretons taking up time and resources to mobilize. I wouldn't go with 6 more legions, since the empire took a big hit from Skyrim's departure. 4 or 5 more Cyrodiilic citizen legions would be more accurate. These legions will be operating at a lower effectiveness than the 10 regulars.


He should probably use their names/numbers to avoid confusions.
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