Halo said
Xecutioner, stop being such a little fucking princess about the fact that he called your arguably-naive views naive. It's really not that big a deal, for fuck's sakes. Now that's insulting.

Because this:

XecutionerRex said
I never insulted you.

So don't insult me.

Makes me a princess. Right?

Dervish said
Waitwaitwait.Are you implying that if Heinz was educated, he could have gone to school to become a doctor to invent a cure? Because chances are, this whole terminal illness thing is recent and not something he's known about since, I don't know, the beginning of high school. Also, comparing human beings with civilization and all the complicated interconnected systems that are involved with maintaining said civilization to a tiger, whose primary two concerns are eating and caring for their young, is pretty silly. One tiger was bigger and stronger, ergo, it gets more at the expense of the other. If humans still worked by that logic, I'd be able to go into your home, beat you from an inch of your life, and claim everything in said home as my own with no recourse with such abstract concepts such as law enforcement. Bigger tiger doesn't have to worry about the Fuzz, and it also doesn't have social services to draw from. Being a human is pretty neat, gotta say. Enough that your analogy isn't really working for this.

By the way, what's your address? King of the jungle wants a new TV.

I was trying to say if he had the chance to get a proper education, and decided to become a doctor, and his wife ended up with cancer, maybe he could have made his own cure to save her. But then you could argue that had he become a doctor he'd marry someone different and yada-yada-yada. So I don't know if that's worth talking about.

Yes, humans do indeed have civilization, and would appear to have more complex things going on than a tiger, who's life seems pretty simple. I don't remember the last time I saw one dress in suit 'n tie for work. My point however, is that when backed up against a wall, the human mind can and will boil down to nothing but that of an animal's. Think about the Donner Party; they were starving and cold, and with nowhere else to turn they began feasting on their own deceased. That's something we see a lot in the natural world, but it's looked down upon by most human cultures. But they were desperate, so the animalistic mindset that lays within us all took over.

Similarly, Heinz cares about his wife more than the doctor's because humans are social beings who are bound to their own family, tribe, and (We can see it in the form of hardcore patriots) even their countries. It all starts with the family. As families unite, people start to look out for their tribe. As tribes unite to become something more, people's interests keep expanding with the population. This fits in perfectly with what you said about human culture being so intricate; I completely agree with you on that. But when you take away all these layers and get to the core you find a beast. And all the beast cares about in Heinz situation is the survival of his wife, because she is essentially the most important thing in the world to him (Save for any kids).

Hopefully I'm wording this right.

But dude you can have my T.V just don't take the porno a'ight? I need that.

Halo said
Xecutioner, stop being such a little fucking princess about the fact that he called your arguably-naive views naive. It's really not that big a deal, for fuck's sakes. Now that's insulting.

Because this:

XecutionerRex said
I never insulted you.

So don't insult me.

Makes me a princess. Right?

.

Jesus Christ Rex.

MAN, couldn't you just wait and not hit F5 over and over. Now we have to read paragraphs and paragraphs of your 'writing'.

The big issue with the Heinz situation is that it is looking at the situation from a perspective that fails to address logic, and instead attempts to work of ethical and emotional considerations. As such, the answer varies greatly.

I, personally, would say that though the Doctor is cruel, and Heinz is "good", Heinz is still in the wrong.

The essential thing to grasp here is that civilization is necessarily founded upon agreements between people on what they can and can't do. Nowadays, these agreements exist as laws. Everyone living in a particular society must stand by its laws—ideally, everyone would find a society that has laws they agree with, but we all know it is highly unlikely to find such a perfect distribution of people on such large-scale groups as are necessary for the level of trade and thus civilized advancement we know have the benefit of being a part.

If the society disagrees with its laws, then those laws should be changed. For example, in this case, I assume Heinz would be an advocate for socialistic health care programs. However, because he is part of this particular society, he needs to spend money to save his wife, and thus needs to steal.

By stealing from the Doctor, Heinz has disconnected himself from the society's rules. Rules that are in place so that mutual benefit may be shared between people by pre-arranged agreements. Once he stole, he suddenly decided that he need not follow the rules, separating him from this society. If he does not have to abide by the responsibilities society places on him, he has no right to any of the benefits. It should logically follow then that absolutely everyone should have the right to steal from him.

However, because this would lead to general complications of governance, and quickly, anarchy, as people arbitrarily decide to "abandon" society, a new, essential rule had to be formed: you cannot abandon society. Once in it, you can't leave. And so punishments were created.

By stealing, he undermines society. He may be benefiting himself and his wife, but at a macro level, people will lose more than gain. If most people disagree with the Doctor's motives, and feel that Heinz should get the medicine, then the system must change. Until the system changes, Heinz is in the wrong, and damaging more people than the one life he saves.

Such sacrifices are necessary, and though perhaps distasteful, they also give comfort. Rest easy knowing lovers won't attack you on the street so they can transplant your spare organs into their loved ones, because you refused to give up something you technically don't need.

.. Da fuq RPG?

Da fuq RPG?

XecutionerRex said
Because this:Makes me a princess. Right?I was trying to say if he had the chance to get a proper education, and decided to become a doctor, and his wife ended up with cancer, maybe he could have made his own cure to save her. But then you could argue that had he become a doctor he'd marry someone different and yada-yada-yada. So I don't know if that's worth talking about.Yes, humans do indeed have civilization, and would appear to have more complex things going on than a tiger, who's life seems pretty simple. I don't remember the last time I saw one dress in suit 'n tie for work. My point however, is that when backed up against a wall, the human mind can and will boil down to nothing but that of an animal's. Think about the Donner Party; they were starving and cold, and with nowhere else to turn they began feasting on their own deceased. That's something we see a lot in the natural world, but it's looked down upon by most human cultures. But they were desperate, so the animalistic mindset that lays within us all took over. Similarly, Heinz cares about his wife more than the doctor's because humans are social beings who are bound to their own family, tribe, and (We can see it in the form of hardcore patriots) even their countries. It all starts with the family. As families unite, people start to look out for their tribe. As tribes unite to become something more, people's interests keep expanding with the population. This fits in perfectly with what you said about human culture being so intricate; I completely agree with you on that. But when you take away all these layers and get to the core you find a beast. And all the beast cares about in Heinz situation is the survival of his wife, because she is essentially the most important thing in the world to him (Save for any kids).Hopefully I'm wording this right.But dude you can have my T.V just don't take the porno a'ight? I need that.

Bro, I'm ready to report you for spam.
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Worst thieves guild ever......

My bad. Every time the post didn't go through and when ever I hit the back button I think it posted again.

I have no clue what went on really, but I did not hit F5 once I can guarantee you that.

XecutionerRex said
My bad. Every time the post didn't go through and when ever I hit the back button I think it posted again.I have no clue what went on really, but I did not hit F5 once I can guarantee you that.

Instead of doing that, make a new RPG tab and exit out of the first one.

XecutionerRex said
My bad. Every time the post didn't go through and when ever I hit the back button I think it posted again.I have no clue what went on really, but I did not hit F5 once I can guarantee you that.

Instead of doing that, make a new RPG tab and exit out of the first one.

BrobyDDark said
Instead of doing that, make a new RPG tab and exit out of the first one.

BrobyDDark said
Instead of doing that, make a new RPG tab and exit out of the first one.

Oh, the irony.

Holmishire said
Oh, the irony.

This shit is broken, OK.

O.o wtf happened in here?

genghismike said
O.o wtf happened in here?

Spam happened.

Alphakoka said
Spam happened.

No, I meant....

<.<

The Guild happened.

People would steal things instead of RP.

I mean am I missing something or?

scribz said
People would steal things instead of RP. I mean am I missing something or?

Bandwagon.

Or an attempt? It's a thread similar to another one which was created prior to this one.