So Boerd said
1. So, what, Europeans are guilty by "corruption of blood?" Unconstitutional. Why don't we have anti-Aztec affirmative action or pro-Scandinavian affirmative action in Southern Greenland or pro-Neanderthal affirmative action everywhere or pro-European affirmative action in Mongolia? History is history. I'm Asian, mind you, and we Koreans didn't have it easy.2. Colonization was not a zero-sum game. Can you honestly tell me that the African tribes, some of whom had not even invented the WHEEL, mind you, would be better off today if nobody brought technology to them?

2) No, I don't see any benefit whatsoever in European powers coming to Africa. That continent was perfectly fine before European explorers arrived. It will be left to speculation and personal thought experiments as to how African tribes would have progressed without Europe's intervention until mankind invents time machines that somehow avoid the temporal paradox. Pretty skyscrapers and firearms were 'fortunate' byproducts of colonialism (among other things), but that's just it: they're byproducts. They weren't intended at the time. You're implying that African nations absolutely depended on Europe for technical advancement and civilization, which is a global misconception widely held as fact. And ironically, civilization itself is a concrete term wrapped in subjectivity; its underlining definition is forged by those that emerge with victory in hand. If your society and culture do not mimic that of the conqueror's, you're uncivilized. It's a ridiculous logical fallacy and blatant lie reinforced by corrupted historical texts and victor's essays laced throughout American and European history books.

My primary beef is with history and its persistent impact on my life and the lives of other people like me

So Boerd said
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So Boerd said
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much like the idea that Africans willingly sold other Africans into slavery

So Boerd said
Not according to the rapid white supremacists in the Nigerian government.http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/nov/18/africans-apologise-slave-tradeYou've only proven my point, with no incentive to develop the very helpful wheel any further, they would not have. Thus the long term material impact of colonialism.

ASTA said
It's like you didn't even read the parenthesized material or the post in its entirety.EDIT: Or my post before that one.

xAsunaWolfx said I wonder if everyone else here is white, arguing over what to call my own race.

xAsunaWolfx said Has anyone noticed the difference of asking a white person and black person race?
Black people will say black.
White people will say: 2% Irish, .04% Indian, 45% Hawaiian, 16% European, 5% Irish and what not

xAsunaWolfx said But if everyone is calling each other: Negro, Nigga, nigger, Cracker, "lost in the snow" or "lost in the night" = Something is not right, especially if it's outside of some friendship.

xAsunaWolfx said Just call the person what they request to be called. If that 2% Irish white person wants to be labeled as Irish, call them Irish

xAsunaWolfx said Lately Americans have been thinking of racist happenings between unarmed black men and the cops, that cops are more likely to shoot/kill a black man. Or how store clerks will watch the black people more and are less likely to hire them. Of course this doesn't account for all cops but i fear for some...

xAsunaWolfx said when Ebola is entering the country and nothing is being done to the African borders

Honestly the cop thing is under debate as to if it's actual racism, or just a matter of due to history most of the poor neighbourhoods tend to be filled with black people. A result of their ancestors having been slaves and not had many means to financially secure their family. Where in modern day it results to a lot of those people turning to crime, where since those environments have a high amount of black people you get a high amount of black criminals, and as a result more black people shot.

ASTA said
This shouldn't even be up for debate.A 13-14 percent racial demographic comprises most of the poor neighborhoods in the US while the 50-60 percent white majority is largely exempt from poverty? That doesn't make sense; it's disproportionate for one. Easy-to-find sources for crime/race/poverty statistics on the internet (government-sanctioned and government-made websites) point to whites committing more crimes than their black counterparts, occupying a larger share of the poverty percentile and being just as likely (if not more so) to commit violent or nonviolent crimes as blacks. As expected, many more whites should be dying from police shootings and significantly more of them should be in jail when compared to their black counterparts. The proportions/ratios and not the solid figures point to a biased police force and justice system. Why are these claims even disputed despite overwhelming evidence provided by the US government itself?

So Boerd said
I won't let you say sources exist. Cite them.

HollywoodMole said
Listing "benefits" to the enslavement of thousands isn't okay...

ASTA said
It's as if you don't know what Google is. Official racial demographics in the US. Also, apparently I was off by approximately ten percent.. Apparently whites make up about 70 percent of the US population rather than 50-60 percent. Official FBI website that has cataloged 2012 crime statistics based on race. 2012 is the earliest year I could find, but I do not anticipate the percentiles to differ much in spite of two years having passed. Poverty/annual income statistics. Basic math yields about 13-14 million persons of white racial background being poverty stricken while 8 or so million persons of black racial background are poverty stricken. Note the skewed ratio.Do you want links that provide support for the belief that America's justice system is beyond fucked up or have you finally come to realize that it's biased against minority groups? Because I'm seriously not looking forward to the Trayvon Martin Thread Antics V2 with you again if that's the case.EDIT: Actually it's anti-male as well but that's an entirely different thread altogether.

ASTA said It's as if you don't know what Google is.

ASTA said Official racial demographics in the US. Also, apparently I was off by approximately ten percent.. Apparently whites make up about 70 percent of the US population rather than 50-60 percent.

ASTA said -The other two sources-

So Boerd said
Shame on you. allegedly rational Magnum, for falling for cum hoc ergo propter hoc.Quick impressions on FBI source:1. White people (including Hispanics) murder less than Black people2. 700,000 of the margin between white and black is DUI, which they rarely send you to prison for.3. Seeing as Black people evidently commit crime at a much higher rates than Whites+Hispanics, about 85% of the population, that proves that recidivism is much more likely among blacks, prompting longer sentences and explaining the large prison population.

So Boerd said
So what exactly is your issue? Thought we were complaining about prison pop.Cum hoc ergo propter hoc, if you cared to google it, means that correlation does not imply causation. A discrepenancy between black and white poverty does not mean ipso facto the system is racist