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Lo Pellegrino said
“'If you stick a knife in my back nine inches and pull it out six inches, there's no progress. If you pull it all the way out that's not progress. Progress is healing the wound that the blow made. And they haven't even pulled the knife out much less heal the wound. They won't even admit the knife is there.'” Congratulations, So Boerd, you've made this quote relevant in 2014! Feel deeply dirty, deeply ashamed, and despicable at your leisure (or simply don't recognize it, that's working well for you so far)!


Never saw a white man get elected to the single most consequential office in the world for no other reason than that he's white once, let alone twice.
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I never saw a black man do such a thing either.

Oh, you're referring to Obama allegedly being elected only because he's black and not because the Democrats not once, but twice, thought he was the best man for the job? Sure, let's go for the 'it's because he's black' reasoning.

Arguing that Obama was only elected because he is black is akin to saying that Scotland voted in Alex Salmond as First Minister because he's white. Never mind that he's resigned after the independence referendum, the point remains.
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Never saw a white man get elected to the single most consequential office in the world for no other reason than that he's white once, let alone twice.


And jews did 9/11! Can't forget that!
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Side note: I just learned Obama had a 0% approval in some white towns. No racism, however.
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The Holocaust helped formed Israel from Jewish people and it will help stop future acts of hatred before they can even start.


Because Israel has stopped acts of hatred. Definitely.

Rare said and it ended discrimination against African Americans and helped the Hispanics out as well.


And discrimination against Africans and Hispanics has ended as well, of course.

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Well there are benefits to bad and good things that has happened from thousands of years. Like from example, World War 2 got major countries (America, England, etc) out of the Great Depression.

And into serious depression with debt.
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So Boerd said Shame on you. allegedly rational Magnum, for falling for cum hoc ergo propter hoc.Quick impressions on FBI source:

1. White people (including Hispanics) murder less than Black people
2. 700,000 of the margin between white and black is DUI, which they rarely send you to prison for.
3. Seeing as Black people evidently commit crime at a much higher rates than Whites+Hispanics, about 85% of the population, that proves that recidivism is much more likely among blacks, prompting longer sentences and explaining the large prison population.


Actually the sources show slightly more murder from blacks than whites, but whites more guilty of just about every other crime.
And considering the majority of such crimes are committed by white people, it is an odd contradiction that there are more black people who face severe punishment.

And even if black people are more likely to commit crime, the duty of an officer to treat everyone the same regardless of things such as skin colour. To be more strict on people strictly for their colour isn't something they should do.

ASTA said Also, instead of posting latin phrases, actually explain what your issue with my response is.


It's a logical fallacy.
It basically means correlation doesn't equal causation.

But So Boerd isn't properly applying it here which is the issue.
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Because Israel has stopped acts of hatred. Definitely.

And discrimination against Africans and Hispanics has ended as well, of course.

And into serious depression with debt.


Well, I say there are good and bad outcomes to events. And please don't cherrypick like So Boerd did, it shows that you're not mature in debates and agruments.

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Side note: I just learned Obama had a 0% approval in some white towns. No racism, however.


Link? Because, that seems like it's bullshit and made up to cause more hate towards Obama.
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But So Boerd isn't properly applying it here which is the issue.


How not?
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I said so in the very post you're quoting.
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Actually the sources show slightly more murder from blacks than whites, but whites more guilty of just about every other crime.
And considering the majority of such crimes are committed by white people, it is an odd contradiction that there are more black people who face severe punishment.


Because you do not recieve equally long sentences upon recidivism. They get far longer.
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That doesn't at all address murders, more violent treatment or general hostility shown to first time offenders.
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That doesn't at all address murders, more violent treatment or general hostility shown to first time offenders.


Woah, cops murder first time offenders? Going to need serious sources for that.
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Woah, cops murder first time offenders? Going to need serious sources for that.


Ferguson case is a big one.
Now that case is still under debate as to who was guilty and such, but the kid being shot was not do to past instances but strictly from the current instance.
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I never saw a black man do such a thing either.Oh, you're referring to Obama allegedly being elected only because he's black and not because the Democrats not once, but twice, thought he was the best man for the job? Sure, let's go for the 'it's because he's black' reasoning.Arguing that Obama was only elected because he is black is akin to saying that Scotland voted in Alex Salmond as First Minister because he's white. Never mind that he's resigned after the independence referendum, the point remains.


Hard to put on a number on people who voted for Obama because of his ethnicity, but here in Detroit I knew two categories of people personally in my friends group who voted for him and one of those were those who "really really wanted a black president no matter what his views", though to be fair the other half of those I know who voted him were "liberal whites attending college".
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I don't think a nation with a white racial majority (72 percent mind you) would vote for a black president simply because he's black. That isn't how humans work. Also, old people. But the opposition to gay marriage and racism abroad is quite literally dying out with the Baby Boomers.

It's more like the Republicans lost the votes of the young, gays and women, as well as minorities. And they know this, which is why the GOP is currently turning itself inside out with all of the complete 180s that it's doing on various topics that it initially opposed.
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Because you do not recieve equally long sentences upon recidivism. They get far longer.


Completely irrelevant.

Also, explain why first time minority offenders receive harsher sentences and fines than their white peers on average. Remember to cite your sources.
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Completely irrelevant.Also, explain why first time minority offenders receive harsher sentences and fines than their white peers on average. Remember to cite your sources.


Going to need your source first.

Also, since you've established blacks commit more severe crimes on average per person than whites, make sure your source proves they get more harshly treates for the same crime with no previous criminal record
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I don't think a nation with a white racial majority (72 percent mind you) would vote for a black president simply because he's black. That isn't how humans work. Also, old people. But the opposition to gay marriage and racism abroad is quite literally dying out with the Baby Boomers.It's more like the Republicans lost the votes of the young, gays and women, as well as minorities. And they know this, which is why the GOP is currently turning itself inside out with all of the complete 180s that it's doing on various topics that it initially opposed.


Then why did Obama beat Clinton?

For a less controversial example, O.J's acquittal in spite of DNA.
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Completely irrelevant.Also, explain why first time minority offenders receive harsher sentences and fines than their white peers on average. Remember to cite your sources.


Trip post. Supposing I am the racist justice system, wouldn't I want minorities to suffer more? Since most violent crime is along racial lines, wouldn't I give minority gangbangers and wife beaters light sentences so they can go back to killing each other, but give white killers and abusers heavy sentences?
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Trip post. Supposing I am the racist justice system, wouldn't I want minorities to suffer more? Since most violent crime is along racial lines, wouldn't I give minority gangbangers and wife beaters light sentences so they can go back to killing each other, but give white killers and abusers heavy sentences?


No; as the racist justice system (presumably in modern America) you'd see minorities of so-and-so background as threats to the majority. You can't exactly throw their asses on a ship back across the sea, so your next solution to keep them from further infecting the country with their filth is by means of imprisonment.
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