Even as I huge star wars fan, I'm not getting my hopes up with this movie yet.

Disney has shown big signs of treating Star Wars as one of their "Tearing it to shreds and make an abomination" series rather than "We just own it, but we'll it do it's own thing" series seeing as how they are not only making Leia a Disney Princess but declared anything outside the movies (All of star wars best lore and story-telling) as being non-canon. Big indicators they see star wars as a cash in rather than something to respect and keep flourishing (Though to be fair, George Lucas can be criticized for the same).

Regardless of such, even if there was no concerns about Disney trying to just cash in they still set the standards/expectation even higher for themselves. Because now they don't only need to make a movie worthy of the other movies, but they need to make a movie worthy of replacing the many years of the expanded star wars universe.

It's not so much that they 'declared the EU non-cannon.' What they've said is, 'We're not going to try to keep this within someone else's boundaries. That story has already been told. Here's a different story, our story, and by the way Lucas, sit the fuck down, you're in time-out.'

I love everything about that.

Magic Magnum said
Even as I huge star wars fan, I'm not getting my hopes up with this movie yet.Disney has shown big signs of treating Star Wars as one of their "Tearing it to shreds and make an abomination" series rather than "We just own it, but we'll it do it's own thing" series seeing as how they are not only making Leia a Disney Princess but declared anything outside the movies (All of star wars best lore and story-telling) as being non-canon. Big indicators they see star wars as a cash in rather than something to respect and keep flourishing (Though to be fair, George Lucas can be criticized for the same).Regardless of such, even if there was no concerns about Disney trying to just cash in they still set the standards/expectation even higher for themselves. Because now they don't only need to make a movie worthy of the other movies, but they need to make a movie worthy of replacing the many years of the expanded star wars universe.

To be fair, a lot of the EU Stuff was pretty fuckin terrible in the first place.

Plus, we all fuckin know where this "Sequel" Trilogy thing is gonna go(if they turn it into a trilogy, but they will). First new movie = "We are so lucky! we've had peace for so long! *New enemy appears* "OH NO! how did we not know these generic evil villains will come and fight us! I know! lets go and get Luke and co! *Old stars return as old versions of their original characters and defeat the villains, kinda, sorta* "YAY! we sure saved the day!" Second new movie = To cut the bullshit, villains win, opens path for the next movie to be how dire the situation is and how they *Zordon voice* "MUST SAVE THE GALAXY FROM UTTER PERIL OF THESE GENERIC VILLAINS"

Episode 3 will the heroes yet again saving the galaxy from total dominion! 8D doesn't that sound like something truly worthy of becoming the original trilogy's successsor, or does it sound like a generic copy of the plot that was a simple version of the "Hero must....*heavily sniffs* SAVE THE WORLD!

Trust me, I've lost all hope in Star Wars.

mdk said
It's not so much that they 'declared the EU non-cannon.' What they've said is, 'We're not going to try to keep this within someone else's boundaries. That story has already been told. Here's a different story, our story, and by the way Lucas, sit the fuck down, you're in time-out.' I love everything about that.

So alternate universe?
If that's what they're doing why didn't they just say so? :/

Darog the Badger God said
To be fair, a lot of the EU Stuff was pretty fuckin terrible in the first place. Plus, we all fuckin know where this "Sequel" Trilogy thing is gonna go(if they turn it into a trilogy, but they will). First new movie = "We are so lucky! we've had peace for so long! *New enemy appears* "OH NO! how did we not know these generic evil villains will come and fight us! I know! lets go and get Luke and co! *Old stars return as old versions of their original characters and defeat the villains, kinda, sorta* "YAY! we sure saved the day!" Second new movie = To cut the bullshit, villains win, opens path for the next movie to be how dire the situation is and how they *Zordon voice* "MUST SAVE THE GALAXY FROM UTTER PERIL OF THESE GENERIC VILLAINS" Episode 3 will the heroes yet again saving the galaxy from total dominion! 8D doesn't that sound like something truly worthy of becoming the original trilogy's successsor, or does it sound like a generic copy of the plot that was a simple version of the "Hero must....*heavily sniffs* SAVE THE WORLD! Trust me, I've lost all hope in Star Wars.

I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to argue here.
Are you saying it's going to be like the prequels? Are you saying the original trilogy was lame?
Are you saying the expanded universe was lame? If so you seriously need to check out the Old Republic Era.

Magic Magnum said
So alternate universe?If that's what they're doing why didn't they just say so? :/I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to argue here.Are you saying it's going to be like the prequels? Are you saying the original trilogy was lame?Are you saying the expanded universe was lame? If so you seriously need to check out the Old Republic Era.

Original Trilogy was gr8, the story was simple though, you cannot deny that, it wasn't really anything mind breaking or seriously out there, the universe, ,the effects that mixed CGI and practical effects were great. I was not saying the originals were lame.

I'm saying that the new movie(and eventual trilogy) will try and follow the same story, same basic plot, and just be bland as hell.

Also, I didn't say "All" of it, I said "a lot" of it was terrible. Old Republic era stuff is really gr8, and a few things from other eras were pretty good too. the majority of it though? fuckin garbo.

Darog the Badger God said
Original Trilogy was gr8, the story was simple though, you cannot deny that, it wasn't really anything mind breaking or seriously out there, the universe, ,the effects that mixed CGI and practical effects were great. I was not saying the originals were lame. I'm saying that the new movie(and eventual trilogy) will try and follow the same story, same basic plot, and just be bland as hell. Also, I didn't say "All" of it, I said "a lot" of it was terrible. Old Republic era stuff is really gr8, and a few things from other eras were pretty good too. the majority of it though? fuckin garbo.

Ah, now I see what you're saying.
And yea you're probably right, they're most likely going to try to follow a very traditional/cliche plot line with the movies.
Like I detailed in my first post, Disneys done a lot to indicate they see it as a quick cash in with children. Not something to let flourish on it's own like they did with Marvel.

Magic Magnum said
Disneys done a lot to indicate they see it as a quick cash in with children. Not something to let flourish on it's own like they did with Marvel.

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The title makes me crave for a cake for some reason.

I personally would have hated if Episode VII was Star Wars: The Extended Universe". It's a good business decision on Disney's part, too; the vast majority of extended universe fans are the sort of Star Wars devotees that would go to see ANY movie with the name 'Star Wars' in it at least twice.

I hope they don't turn the series into a cash chow shit stain like Lucas did.

Derpestein said
I hope they don't turn the series into a cash chow shit stain like Lucas did.

At least it couldn't get any worse.

The Nexerus said I personally would have hated if Episode VII was [i]Star Wars: The Extended Universe"[I]. It's a good business decision on Disney's part, too; the vast majority of extended universe fans are the sort of Star Wars devotees that would go to see ANY movie with the name 'Star Wars' in it at least twice.

Speaking as one of those extended universe fans, I'd definitely go and watch it at least once just to see what it's like.
If I watch it a second time or not though would depend on if I felt they actually did a good job (and in this case, did justice as a extended universe replacement) or not.

mdk said At least it couldn't get any worse.

In terms of the movie itself? I agree.
In terms of the effect it can have on the star wars fan base? Eh... :/
These Disney movies stand to bring in a lot of new fans, which is good.
But fans who since they are introduced by disney may take a strong position in "Disney said EU is out, so it's out", which if that happens could outright destroy any new star wars creation that isn't a Disney movie.