Psyga315 said
Also, some people have to account for being dead.

Pttf, their ghost can log on and continue the RP!

vancexentan said
People who don't post for an entire week with next to no explanation why or forenotice. I once had a girl;s sister tell me she was in the hospital for some broken bones at one point. The point being if YOU can't then ask one of your friends to log onto your account and tell the GM and people you're leaving or you're not able to post. People who don't post leave notices always IMMEDIATELY go on my shit list.

You sound like you take role-playing way too seriously dude, it's all for fun it's not your freaking career

Alright how about this I personally suffered not one but TWO seizures over the course of a couple months of each other and in which I was in the hospital for a day each without the ability to do anything but sit there. When I got home the following days I pulled out my laptop after getting settled in and told everyone I'm going to take a couple days to recover from it and will be back in said given amount of time. And this was ME not someone else. Even without a friend to help me I informed all of the roleplayers that I suffered from the aforementioned.

Yes some people have bigger issues broken bones (like the girl's sister who pm'd me on the other site I wished her sister a good recovery and understood why she couldn't continue), bigger seizures than my own, or what have you. But the topic on my post that seems to rile people up is that I'm expecting to much from people. I'm not really asking more than what I'd do for anyone else personally. If someone doesn't post in a week and is in the hospital then so be it. Maybe they'd need to drop everything to recover. I'm fine with that as long as I get a notification from someone or the player wasn't in an important spot.

If they can't do so so be it. Tell me in later that you were in said hospital and I'll apologize readily for whatever and take you off said shit list mentioned above and if possible allow you to keep playing. It happens. I'd gladly ask one of my pals or family members that I injured myself in some way shape or form, that's if I was in some sort of state that would allow me to do so, to inform the people whom I do stuff with on this site or another that I'm inoperable. I view myself with a sense of professionalism, not just in roleplaying in real life I carry myself with expectations as well and readily admit when I have failed or will fail at something, and view it as an obligation to at least tell people why I am inoperable. Why? Because that's how I do things. I don't want people to wait on me if I can't do something and neither do I want to be that one guy everyone needs to do something then not show up. Do I take myself too seriously? It's very possible that I do take myself way to seriously. It's also possible that I have too high of expectations for others. Does this mean I won't adapt? No but I expect the common courtesy of being informed when stuff happens.

However getting away from said hot topic if you just up and leave without saying ANYTHING whatsoever and you're active on this site then that really makes me mad. You signed up for something, spent the time to do something, and then left without saying a word? Or you signed up for something didn't follow through and the person who made said rp is now stuck waiting for a person who will never show up. Alright how about I put this part in perspective from my point of view as a gamer: You're playing in a tournament and it consists mainly of three players on a team. One of your team mates get's done his part for the first whatever rounds of the tournament....and then leaves. He has no important engagements to see to. He doesn't have to take care of himself or anyone else. And he seems like a nice guy. But he just decides for whatever reason 'Hey I don't like this anymore I'm just going to leave my team hanging. I'm not going to inform them and I'm just going to go home' leaving his two teammates to drop out of the tournament or find someone hurriedly who may or may not be able to function properly. That's not cool in my own book. Not sure how others view someone just up and leaving when others are relying on you do carry up your end of something but that doesn't fly on me side of the page. If you don't like something just flat out say something to the guy or group as a whole that you're not enjoying it and wish to withdraw. It's that simple.

This is just my opinion if you don't like it feel free to flame me as you will this is the internet after all. Others take themselves less seriously than myself, other people take things more in align as how you guys see it. Am I trying to justify how I see things? In some ways yes in other ways no as I don't intend to have everyone agree with the way I see and do things just like how I don't agree with other stuff people do. Does this make me salty? No in one sense as I am not angry as I am writing this nor am I feeling defensive but yes in another that I just wrote three paragraphs explaining how I view things and stating my own stance like a politician trying to explain his unpopular views in front of another group of politicians whom heavily disagree on his views. I'm just bitching about something that really deeply irks me and if you got a problem with how I view things then good for you you got yourself and opinion. If you agree with me good for you then that is also your opinion. It really doesn't matter I'm not some special snow flake and I'm not some pompous jackass who expects people to do something he wouldn't do himself or at least try do himself. I myself won't be monitoring this thread for a bit to avoid getting in a prolonged conversation about how much my opinion is bad and or whatever be it.

I get a bit annoyed when I am gming a game, and I spend lots of time developing and creating a setting, and someone just posts a character with a backstory including an entirely different region or culture that their character is from that I didn't have in my setting. I know that role playing is collaborative and everything and I think it's great that they want to create a unique character, but It annoys me more that they didn't even run it by me first. It just feels so presumptuous and entitled to me that someone thinks they can walk in and insert something into my world then expect me to just accept it and their character. The disappointing thing for me is that usually I like their ideas too, and I would be happy to include them if they ran them by me via pm, and we could develop how it actually fit into my setting together instead of just throwing it in.

vancexentan said
Yes some people have bigger issues broken bones (like the girl's sister who pm'd me on the other site I wished her sister a good recovery and understood why she couldn't continue), bigger seizures than my own, or what have you. But the topic on my post that seems to rile people up is that I'm expecting to much from people. I'm not really asking more than what I'd do for anyone else personally. If someone doesn't post in a week and is in the hospital then so be it. Maybe they'd need to drop everything to recover. I'm fine with that as long as I get a notification from someone or the player wasn't in an important spot.

If they can't do so so be it. Tell me in later that you were in said hospital and I'll apologize readily for whatever and take you off said shit list mentioned above and if possible allow you to keep playing. It happens. I'd gladly ask one of my pals or family members that I injured myself in some way shape or form, that's if I was in some sort of state that would allow me to do so, to inform the people whom I do stuff with on this site or another that I'm inoperable. I view myself with a sense of professionalism, not just in roleplaying in real life I carry myself with expectations as well and readily admit when I have failed or will fail at something, and view it as an obligation to at least tell people why I am inoperable. Why? Because that's how I do things. I don't want people to wait on me if I can't do something and neither do I want to be that one guy everyone needs to do something then not show up. Do I take myself too seriously? It's very possible that I do take myself way to seriously. It's also possible that I have too high of expectations for others. Does this mean I won't adapt? No but I expect the common courtesy of being informed when stuff happens.

This was not in your original statement. Your original statement was entirely dickish (usually I'd use seemingly, but this manages to remove that for me this time).

I'm sorry, but when someone is facing an emergency my first thought is how to make sure the player doesn't feel alienated from the thread as they have enough to deal with. You have much better alternatives to how you seem to portray how you handle these things rather than being (insert appropriate expletive of choice). You are entirely capable as GM to solve a problem with missing players that does not involve making those with situations outside their control feel awful. You could use the exact same tools you would use as if they had informed you they'd be gone to deal with the situation, because knowing and not knowing is frankly irrelevant. All you have to do is utilize these SAME TOOLS YOU'D USE IF YOU KNEW ANYWAY when someone is missing for X amount of time and you need to move it along.

You may see your attitude as professionalism, but it isn't. You are making a conscious choice to create an entirely toxic environment by putting someone on any form of 'shit list' for not posting when they have a serious conflict that draws them away. Each person needs to deal with these conflicts differently and any 'I have experience in X' is a false equivalency - they have entirely different breadths of experience and methods of recovery or coping than you. To kick someone when they are likely already down because of some guise of professionalism is horrid, absolutely 100% horrid.

Your original position isn't remotely defensible, even with your inane ramblings of trying to. Your comparison to most games is incredibly irrelevant because as a GM you can control the situation.

No player should ever be considered to be on a 'shit list' when they are gone. Deal with it. If they don't have a reasonable explanation when or if they return, then remove them. But to think ill of someone not knowing their status is improper. I always assume someone has a good reason for being absent unless I know it is a chronic problem because I'd rather give them the benefit of the doubt than kick them when they are down.

HOWEVER, it is rude when they do that and continue to be active on the site, but I stress this is ENTIRELY different than your original statement and not what I am addressing.

vancexentan said
Alright how about this I personally suffered not one but TWO seizures over the course of a couple months of each other and in which I was in the hospital for a day each without the ability to do anything but sit there. When I got home the following days I pulled out my laptop after getting settled in and told everyone I'm going to take a couple days to recover from it and will be back in said given amount of time. And this was ME not someone else. Even without a friend to help me I informed all of the roleplayers that I suffered from the aforementioned. Yes some people have bigger issues broken bones (like the girl's sister who pm'd me on the other site I wished her sister a good recovery and understood why she couldn't continue), bigger seizures than my own, or what have you. But the topic on my post that seems to rile people up is that I'm expecting to much from people. I'm not really asking more than what I'd do for anyone else personally. If someone doesn't post in a week and is in the hospital then so be it. Maybe they'd need to drop everything to recover. I'm fine with that as long as I get a notification from someone or the player wasn't in an important spot. If they can't do so so be it. Tell me in later that you were in said hospital and I'll apologize readily for whatever and take you off said shit list mentioned above and if possible allow you to keep playing. It happens. I'd gladly ask one of my pals or family members that I injured myself in some way shape or form, that's if I was in some sort of state that would allow me to do so, to inform the people whom I do stuff with on this site or another that I'm inoperable. I view myself with a sense of professionalism, , and view it as an obligation to at least tell people why I am inoperable. Why? Because that's how I do things. I don't want people to wait on me if I can't do something and neither do I want to be that one guy everyone needs to do something then not show up. Do I take myself too seriously? It's very possible that I do take myself way to seriously. It's also possible that I have too high of expectations for others. Does this mean I won't adapt? No but I expect the common courtesy of being informed when stuff happens. However getting away from said hot topic if you just up and leave without saying ANYTHING whatsoever and you're active on this site then that really makes me mad. You signed up for something, spent the time to do something, and then left without saying a word? Or you signed up for something didn't follow through and the person who made said rp is now stuck waiting for a person who will never show up. Alright how about I put this part in perspective from my point of view as a gamer: You're playing in a tournament and it consists mainly of three players on a team. One of your team mates get's done his part for the first whatever rounds of the tournament....and then leaves. He has no important engagements to see to. He doesn't have to take care of himself or anyone else. And he seems like a nice guy. But he just decides for whatever reason 'Hey I don't like this anymore I'm just going to leave my team hanging. I'm not going to inform them and I'm just going to go home' leaving his two teammates to drop out of the tournament or find someone hurriedly who may or may not be able to function properly. That's not cool in my own book. Not sure how others view someone just up and leaving when others are relying on you do carry up your end of something but that doesn't fly on me side of the page. If you don't like something just flat out say something to the guy or group as a whole that you're not enjoying it and wish to withdraw. It's that simple. This is just my opinion if you don't like it feel free to flame me as you will this is the internet after all. Others take themselves less seriously than myself, other people take things more in align as how you guys see it. Am I trying to justify how I see things? In some ways yes in other ways no as I don't intend to have everyone agree with the way I see and do things just like how I don't agree with other stuff people do. Does this make me salty? No in one sense as I am not angry as I am writing this nor am I feeling defensive but yes in another that I just wrote three paragraphs explaining how I view things and stating my own stance like a politician trying to explain his unpopular views in front of another group of politicians whom heavily disagree on his views. I'm just bitching about something that really deeply irks me and if you got a problem with how I view things then good for you you got yourself and opinion. If you agree with me good for you then that is also your opinion. It really doesn't matter I'm not some special snow flake and I'm not some pompous jackass who expects people to do something he wouldn't do himself or at least try do himself. I myself won't be monitoring this thread for a bit to avoid getting in a prolonged conversation about how much my opinion is bad and or whatever be it.

Sorry dude but you're making yourself look like someone I wouldn't want to rp with if you're going to be that way with role-playing, it destroys all the fun in an rp and you'll be put on the list of gms to avoid for a lot of roleplayers

Hmm...I guess I hate people who ask them to PM you about an RP scenario but don't get back. Recently I've had two RPs just drop dead and a few that I cancelled and there's no news. Nothing. And I'm just there like "Sooooo what now?". But for the most part, I understand and accept it for the most part.

However, being a good GM is hard. It takes a lot of work to keep things going, and just recently with my interest check pretty much skyrocketing people wanting to join, I've decided to take a Co-GM on board to help. This is my first time with being a GM for a Roleplay and I'm hoping I'm doing okay (We're almost at the RP stage). However, I don't think I could ever do what your saying.

Think about this. Let's take your scenario with team mates. We'll say what you did, Guy A does his thing and does well. It becomes Guy B's turn but as he finishes, they notice that Guy A is unable to carry on playing. Guy A needs serious medical attention, and regardless of their hobby, Guy B and Guy C should be waiting and supporting Guy A instead of bitching about how they can't carry on with their hobby.

Do you do this in real life? I have a real close friend whose very dear to me. She's stuck currently with a lot of mental health issues, which is coupled with her best friend in real life dying. On top of that, college is tiresome for her and weighing her down. And do you really think the thing she wants to hear from me is "Oh, so do you think you know when we're going to start up our Roleplays again?"

The answer is no.

Honestly, I love roleplaying with her. I get so antsy and excited that she was the only person I'd trust with my roleplaying ideas. And that all stopped about three or four months ago. I was panicky because I didn't want to lose her as an RP Partner, but I shaped up. She didn't need me badgering her for a date to get better. She needed my support so that she could get better and then we could continue. Heck, she's still not ready - College work is still pretty tiresome for her even now. I don't think we'll even get to carry on our roleplay till her Christmas break.

It's not unprofessional to not respond or reply about being inactive, so long as that person comes back to you at some point to explain what happened. Don't just immediately dismiss them as rude and dispassionate about their hobby because they lack the "professionalism" to have someone post for them. I know I don't open up to my family about roleplaying and I wouldn't want them going on my account to tell everyone I was unwell. Hell, I'd want my family by my side trying to get me better than having them post about how I was unfit to write for a while.

And honestly, whether you know or don't know - You still need to overcome the obstacle of losing the important person from the roleplay for a while. Knowing the reasons why they are gone does not give you the magical "I-can-ignore-the-problem" card, you'll still need to keep it going regardless.

Anyway, just throwing my two cents into this discussion. Roleplay is for fun, not a job and we shouldn't have to phone in and take our "sick days" as it were.

EDIT: And just as an added bonus, if people get pissy when you yourself tell them you are unwell and want to take a few days off? Those are the kinds of people you should just walk away from. They aren't worth roleplaying if they won't support that you have a real life and real problems to attend to.

Man, vancexentan, I hate to tell you this; but, you might want to put me on top of the list. Italicized and bold my name. So you wouldn't be mad over me.

Also, I don't believe you on the seizures part. How are you able to type and do anything after a day's rest in the hospital? Hell, the doctor must of told you to rest from a few days or so. That might be why you have your second seizure (If it is true in anyway). If I had a seizure, I wouldn't be worry about me going on this site, I would be resting from a few days and then explain why I was gone (if I happen to be in any roleplays).

Kyrianei said
Hmm...I guess I hate people who ask them to PM you about an RP scenario but don't get back. Recently I've had two RPs just drop dead and a few that I cancelled and there's no news. Nothing. And I'm just there like "Sooooo what now?". But for the most part, I understand and accept it for the most part.However, being a good GM is hard. It takes a lot of work to keep things going, and just recently with my interest check pretty much skyrocketing people wanting to join, I've decided to take a Co-GM on board to help. This is my first time with being a GM for a Roleplay and I'm hoping I'm doing okay (We're almost at the RP stage). However, I don't think I could ever do what your saying.Think about this. Let's take your scenario with team mates. We'll say what you did, Guy A does his thing and does well. It becomes Guy B's turn but as he finishes, they notice that Guy A is unable to carry on playing. Guy A needs , and regardless of their hobby, Guy B and Guy C should be waiting and supporting Guy A instead of bitching about how they can't carry on with their hobby.Do you do this in real life? I have a real close friend whose very dear to me. She's stuck currently with a lot of mental health issues, which is coupled with her best friend in real life dying. On top of that, college is tiresome for her and weighing her down. And do you really think the thing she wants to hear from me is "Oh, so do you think you know when we're going to start up our Roleplays again?"The answer is no.Honestly, I love roleplaying with her. I get so antsy and excited that she was the only person I'd trust with my roleplaying ideas. And that all stopped about three or four months ago. I was panicky because I didn't want to lose her as an RP Partner, but I shaped up. She didn't need me badgering her for a date to get better. She needed my support so that she could get better and then we could continue. Heck, she's still not ready - College work is still pretty tiresome for her even now. I don't think we'll even get to carry on our roleplay till her Christmas break.It's not unprofessional to not respond or reply about being inactive, so long as that person comes back to you at some point to explain what happened. Don't just immediately dismiss them as rude and dispassionate about their hobby because they lack the "professionalism" to have someone post for them. I know I don't open up to my family about roleplaying and I wouldn't want them going on my account to tell everyone I was unwell. Hell, I'd want my family by my side trying to get me better than having them post about how I was unfit to write for a while.And honestly, whether you know or don't know - You still need to overcome the obstacle of losing the important person from the roleplay for a while. Knowing the reasons why they are gone does not give you the magical "I-can-ignore-the-problem" card, you'll still need to keep it going regardless. Anyway, just throwing my two cents into this discussion. Roleplay is for fun, not a job and we shouldn't have to phone in and take our "sick days" as it were.EDIT: And just as an added bonus, if people get pissy when you yourself tell them you are unwell and want to take a few days off? Those are the kinds of people you should just walk away from. They aren't worth roleplaying if they won't support that you have a real life and real problems to attend to.

well said Kyrianei

You can bitch about someone's "professionalism" here when you start paying them per-post. Otherwise, it's a hobby they are fully entitled to drop out of for some time if needed. You can go fuck yourself if you think you're allowed to do anything more than think someone's rude when they don't respond to any of your PMs.

Ahem. Back on track for me.

Once thing I've noticed(and hate) is that sometimes, people simply WILL NOT react to anything other posters' characters do. They're just off in their own world, leaving other characters to scratch their heads in confusion. It's hard to build character relationships if a character outright ignores everyone else. Almost as bad as the posters who write characters that don't actually do anything(fucking "loner" characters...).

Frizan said Back on track for me.Once thing I've noticed(and hate) is that sometimes, people simply WILL NOT react to anything other posters' characters do. They're just off in their own world, leaving other characters to scratch their heads in confusion. It's hard to build character relationships if a character outright ignores everyone else. Almost as bad as the posters who write characters that don't actually do anything(fucking "loner" characters...).

This.

Just this.

This has been one of the biggest annoyances of mine, and a huuuuge problem (Well, more of a irritation, but you get the point) in my RP.

Frizan said
Once thing I've noticed(and hate) is that sometimes, people simply WILL NOT react to anything other posters' characters do. They're just off in their own world, leaving other characters to scratch their heads in confusion. It's hard to build character relationships if a character outright ignores everyone else. Almost as bad as the posters who write characters that don't actually do anything(fucking "loner" characters...).

Hmm. I don't think I've ever encountered this personally. I have been in certain situations where characters ignore specific things, sometimes for fair reasons, but I've never found anyone that was so bizarre as to just pretend everyone else just isn't there. That would actually be something to see.

Now, loner characters, yes, I've seen plenty of them. It's not all bad if they understand the reality of the situation they've put themselves in, but you often get the ones that complain and complain about how they can't do anything when they won't go out and do it themselves. Again, I do understand that would be out of character, but they do need to recognise that they've dug themselves into a pit.

Ironically, I've had to deal with someone that wouldn't react to almost anything said towards them out of character recently. A GM no less that saw fit to bitch about someone not posting when just about everyone in the thread repeatedly told them they had already posted and had done so a while ago.

Cuco said
Hmm. I don't think I've ever encountered this personally. I have been in certain situations where characters ignore specific things, sometimes for fair reasons, but I've never found anyone that was so bizarre as to just pretend everyone else just isn't there. That would actually be something to see.

Oh god, I wish I still had the log of a rp where this literally happened. Someone new joined a rp I co-GMed, a school for superpowered humans/supernatural beings - the sheet seemed ok, and one particularly friendly person decided to try interacting with the new character. 5 rounds of conversation starters and an exploded musical room later (with smoke everywhere), the new character hadn't even ACKNOWLEDGED any of it and went off to the school's surrounding forest because...hell if I know. I pulled the plug on that rp out of mercy. The new rper never returned, and four years later I'm still baffled as to why they signed up in the first place.

So yeah it does happen, and not to just that guy. Thankfully, that's the only one I've really ever dealt with. Your GM story, though - some people direly need co-GMs if only to not sound like a total idiot.

I'm sure it happens. I just never experienced it myself.

And the GM I'm talking about actually was a co-GM. Doesn't really change much.

Well, add a mini-rant about idiots jumping to conclusions then in here *coughme*. Co-GM, holy crap, someone needs to be fired.

If this hasn't been covered, great. If it hasn't, oh well. If you disagree with me for it, go fuck a land mine.

I'm all for anime and shit, hell, there are some good ones out there like Attack on Titan and stuff. But it pisses me off to no end when people use anime as a basis for making characters. I can understand it to a degree in Free or Casual roleplay where people who are less experienced or moderately experienced start out, but it's bullshit if you are using pictures to describe your character from an anime with skills that wouldn't work at all (wtf is a gun kata), or are suddenly a ninja and capable of jumping three stories and falling out of buildings and thinking it's realistic. Anime is not a good source for realism and there are consequences to your actions if you do that because in Advanced there are repurcussions to idiocy. Especially in RPs that I help manage like Academy 218. If you jump out a building then your ass will be the last thing going through your mind, just like in real life.

I've also gotten a character who had a katana that was forged in a volcano, and thought that once her character took off her eyepatch she'd become a better fighter (because being unused to depth perception isn't a thing). First off, how the fuck would you forge a sword in a volcano? I also have to agree with the loner characters. I hate them. I have a seven foot tall lizard man and he's managed to not be socially inert. What's their excuse?

I help run superhuman RPs, and I've seen shit that, even with stretching the rules with superpowers, make no sense. Half of this site has an unhealthy obession with anime. I swear.

You lament people's preference for anime and their tropes within roleplays citing it's not realistic and then you say you have a seven foot tall lizard man character.

*fucks a landmine*

My thing is not really succeeding at content of my posts. I can paint a beautiful image and then struggle to push things forward, the people in my rp are very patient and havn't pointed this out. But still, sorry guys. I'm working on it.

Pachamac said
You lament people's preference for anime and their tropes within roleplays citing it's not realistic and then you say you have a seven foot tall lizard man character.*fucks a landmine*

Going off of this, may I ask why the lizard person is acceptable yet materials that could withstand that heat are impossible?

Also apparently anti-fantasy at all, yet has lizard people. Odd. Most odd.

Jazzy said
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I'm all for anime and shit, hell, there are some good ones out there like Attack on Titan and stuff. But it pisses me off to no end when people use anime as a basis for making characters. I can understand it to a degree in Free or Casual roleplay where people who are less experienced or moderately experienced start out, but it's bullshit if you are using pictures to describe your character from an anime with skills that wouldn't work at all (wtf is a gun kata), or are suddenly a ninja and capable of jumping three stories and falling out of buildings and thinking it's realistic. Anime is not a good source for realism and there are consequences to your actions if you do that because in Advanced there are repurcussions to idiocy. Especially in RPs that I help manage like Academy 218. If you jump out a building then your ass will be the last thing going through your mind, just like in real life.

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This is very elitist.

There are many thread scenarios that could operate very effectively in advanced where things like this would be entirely possible. Please do not so be so arrogant to think because you post in advanced that your opinion on what material belongs there (or is better left to free and casual) matters.