So, I'd be interested in this. Probably.

AdamantiumWolf said
species-specific alignments

Had my interest until I saw this.

Honestly, I can't suspend my sense of disbelief when sapient beings (whom, by definition, should be capable of heightened echelons of decision-making and abstract thought) are so one-dimensional in how they exhibit the incredibly subjective concepts of good and evil.

I mean, is there a set rule that says that alll werewolves need to be murderous douche nozzles and all elves are inherently destined to sacrifice their well-being and personal goals and wishes for the sake of everyone else's?

At this point, these species don't even seem like living, breathing entities that reside within a dynamic world.

They come off as mundane robots.

You've lost me Corsair, that sounds like restoring peace

Okay so it's like this: IT'S ALL PURE BRAINSTORMING
Just a list of ideas, good god. Nothing is even planned out, there are no rules. someone gave me some ideas, I shared them. Just tell me what you think and your ideas in a positive manner

AdamantiumWolf said
Okay so it's like this: IT'S ALL PURE BRAINSTORMINGJust a list of ideas, good god. Nothing is even planned out, there are no rules. someone gave me some ideas, I shared them. Just tell me what you think and your ideas in a positive manner

Alright.

Sorry about being snappy

How about this idea:
A small group of rebels began a village in the forbidden forest lead by a demon king (it's forbidden because it is said to be cursed) they grew quietly, building a village then a town then a city now a fortress, it took them years but they kept to themselves letting know one know of their uprising, building weapons and armor, breeding and recruiting silently assassinating those who opposed. building an army and gaining allies such as the goblins, orcs, demons and dragons. (If you wanna be any of those but good [or bad] feel free) Then the demon leader sent word to the capital of the land Lakanrise requesting they slaughter their king and hand over the throne. Tossed into panic the people of Lakanrise must defeat the force that wishes to destroy their city.

ASTA said
Had my interest until I saw this. Honestly, I can't suspend my sense of disbelief when sapient beings (whom, by definition, should be capable of heightened echelons of decision-making and abstract thought) are so one-dimensional in how they exhibit the subjective concepts of good and evil. I mean, is there a set rule that says that werewolves need to be murderous douche nozzles and elves are inherently destined to sacrifice their well-being and personal goals and wishes for the sake of everyone else's?At this point, these species don't even seem like living, breathing entities that reside within a dynamic world. They come off as mundane robots.

I think maybe this vehemence should be held in check. Unfortunately, and I do mean unfortunately, worlds and peoples are often one dimensional save for rare radical individuals. These rare people are those that foment change and which legends are often based off of.

Which brings us to our best example. Welcome to the planet Earth. Maybe you've missed out on the last few thousand years but humans really are one dimensional. It's only recently and only in some rare places that real freedom to disagree with your neighbours has been tolerated. Most of the Islamic peoples living in the West are those that disagree with their neighbours and had to leave in order to express their beliefs. In North Korea you simply imply that your ruler is not a god and you are disappeared. Even in the supposed free world there are secular groups with radical values that ostracize those that aren't in line with their beliefs.

You're also not taking into account fantasy biology and theocracy. If werewolves happen to be immortal only so long as they consume the flesh of sapient creatures you're obviously going to have a problem seeing them as "victims" after they've eaten your child. Also if Maglubiyet, God of Goblins, proclaims "Kill all Humans" it's going to be hard to resist the call when everyone around you is sharpening knives hoping to incur the notice and appreciation of their deity. Even the strongest, most forward thinking chieftain isn't going to be able to counter the will of his god without serious repercussions.

Ok, how about this:
one character is an officer of the king in the land we live in. Then another such king of another land sends small forces (about 15-30 people) through the land we live in. Now the officer gets his own little army (around 50 people) to dispose of these enemy forces. And as he manages to get to the first enemy group, he is attacked by a number of bandits and two enemy groups. Basically led into a trap. Anyhow, the officer is the only one who lives. In search of help he travels to a nearby village, which was destroyed by the enemy forces. The rest of the characters were in the village or near it and somehow managed to survive, but lost something important. And then they all make a jolly fun group of individuals trying to save their kingdom. And it will end at some great fortress as they would all defend it from their enemies last attack.

Theres no evil no good.
you can pretty much be any race you desire. and the reason you were at the village can be anything.

ASTA said
Had my interest until I saw this. Honestly, I can't suspend my sense of disbelief when sapient beings (whom, by definition, should be capable of heightened echelons of decision-making and abstract thought) are so one-dimensional in how they exhibit the subjective concepts of good and evil. I mean, is there a set rule that says that werewolves need to be murderous douche nozzles and elves are inherently destined to sacrifice their well-being and personal goals and wishes for the sake of everyone else's?At this point, these species don't even seem like living, breathing entities that reside within a dynamic world. They come off as mundane robots.

Good sir, There is no need to make a mockery off a single ideal that is just a concept. So before you attempt to judge someones intelligence so harshly maybe you should look outside your little box of intrinsic ideals and try to peer into someones train of thought.

I personally can't believe that a sapient being who should be capable of heightened echelons of decision-making and abstract thought couldn't see how this is a brainstorming thread so far with nothing set in stone. So please before you try to judge based off your biased opinions, read into the situations more. It was kind of the reason I put and I quote 'Inherently' which according to Websters definition means and once again I quote " Inherently is the adverbial form of the adjective inherent. They both come from the Latin word inhaerere, meaning "adhere to," with the root haerere meaning "to stick." " This is based off of common myth's centered around the set species. Yes just as there are 'good' and 'evil' humans. There are bound to be 'evil' elves and 'good' werewolves to use your examples.

So if that still makes no sense to you. It means they tend to lean towards certain actions but are not bound to do so. Another example is Humans are inherently greedy and spiteful. We always want more. We always strive to get more. When someone has something we want because they can afford it we tend to get jealous. That doesn't mean we are all cut from the same cloth. Some people give more then they should. They doom themselves to a life of menial existence to better support those around them.



Thank you and have a good day.

Ragnarok said
Good sir, There is no need to make a mockery off a single ideal that is just a concept. So before you attempt to judge someones intelligence so harshly maybe you should look outside your little box of intrinsic ideals and try to peer into someones train of thought. I personally can't believe that a sapient being who should be capable of heightened echelons of decision-making and abstract thought couldn't see how this is a brainstorming thread so far with nothing set in stone. So please before you try to judge based off your biased opinions, read into the situations more. It was kind of the reason I put and I quote 'Inherently' which according to Websters definition means and once again I quote " Inherently is the adverbial form of the adjective inherent. They both come from the Latin word inhaerere, meaning "adhere to," with the root haerere meaning "to stick." " This is based off of common myth's centered around the set species. Yes just as there are 'good' and 'evil' humans. There are bound to be 'evil' elves and 'good' werewolves to use your examples.So if that still makes no sense to you. It means they tend to lean towards certain actions but are not bound to do so. Another example is Humans are inherently greedy and spiteful. We always want more. We always strive to get more. When someone has something we want because they can afford it we tend to get jealous. That doesn't mean we are all cut from the same cloth. Some people give more then they should. They doom themselves to a life of menial existence to better support those around them. Thank you and have a good day.

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Assallya said
I think maybe this vehemence should be held in check. Unfortunately, and I do mean unfortunately, worlds and peoples are often one dimensional save for rare radical individuals. These rare people are those that foment change and which legends are often based off of.Which brings us to our best example. Welcome to the planet Earth. Maybe you've missed out on the last few thousand years but humans really are one dimensional. It's only recently and only in some rare places that real freedom to disagree with your neighbours has been tolerated. Most of the Islamic peoples living in the West are those that disagree with their neighbours and had to leave in order to express their beliefs. In North Korea you simply imply that your ruler is not a god and you are disappeared. Even in the supposed free world there are secular groups with radical values that ostracize those that aren't in line with their beliefs.You're also not taking into account fantasy biology and theocracy. If werewolves happen to be immortal only so long as they consume the flesh of sapient creatures you're obviously going to have a problem seeing them as "victims" after they've eaten your child. Also if Maglubiyet, God of Goblins, proclaims "Kill all Humans" it's going to be hard to resist the call when everyone around you is sharpening knives hoping to incur the notice and appreciation of their deity. Even the strongest, most forward thinking chieftain isn't going to be able to counter the will of his god without serious repercussions.

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Ragnarok said
So before you attempt to judge someones intelligence so harshly maybe you should look outside your little box of intrinsic ideals and try to peer into someones train of thought.

When did I judge your intelligence?

how about we go back to brainstorming?

I wasn't going to say anything regarding it, but Assallya kind of got dogpiled, so I'll say this:

Historically most nations were not like North Korea, and the idea that all of the Middle-East is a repressive hell is false. Wahabi Islam is not, in fact, the dominant form of religion in most Middle-Eastern nations. Recall that prior to the rise of Industrialism the Middle-East was the seat of cultural and scientific progress in the world and the place where many foundation stones for modern mathematics were laid, and while it has lost much of that prominence it hasn't changed nearly as radically as Western media would have you believe.

I'm fine with there being clearly delineated Good and Evil, having a Neutral or Good Demon is a contradiction of terms, but separating the civilizations of the world into neatly defined camps pretty much eliminates any semblance of ambiguity, particularly in a setting concept where our objective is to make peace - when the two combatant factions are literally Good and Evil the only way peace can be won is through genocide.

Corsair said
I wasn't going to say anything regarding it, but Assallya kind of got dogpiled, so I'll say this:Historically most nations were not like North Korea, and the idea that all of the Middle-East is a repressive hell is false. Wahabi Islam is not, in fact, the dominant form of religion in most Middle-Eastern nations. Recall that prior to the rise of Industrialism the Middle-East was the seat of cultural and scientific progress in the world and the place where many foundation stones for modern mathematics were laid, and while it has lost much of that prominence it hasn't changed nearly as radically as Western media would have you believe.I'm fine with there being clearly delineated Good and Evil, having a Neutral or Good Demon is a contradiction of terms, but separating the civilizations of the world into neatly defined camps pretty much eliminates any semblance of ambiguity, particularly in a setting concept where our objective is to make peace - when the two combatant factions are literally Good and Evil the only way peace can be won is through genocide.

Then simply kindly state your opinion, you need not go off in tangent ripping apart someone else's idea. Frankly it's rude and hurtful. Someone took a lot of time writing and coming up with that idea, you don't need to blow it to bits saying what an awful idea it is. Now if you had said something along the lines of: Hey instead of having racial defined good and evil camps, how about "blah blah blah" state what you'd like then everyone's happy. No one gets their ideas trashed on and we all continue brainstorming and idea building.

Dude, Assallya was not being rude, he/she (no idea) stated the opinion in a very reasonable manner, You need to relax and not take it personally when people don't like your ideas.

Corsair said
Dude, Assallya was not being rude, he/she (no idea) stated the opinion in a very reasonable manner, You need to relax and not take it personally when people don't like your ideas.

Dude, I'm not even talking about Assallya, I'm talking about your unkind approach to stating your opinion which was more like bashing someone else's ideas

ASTA said
Had my interest until I saw this. Honestly, I can't suspend my sense of disbelief when sapient beings (whom, by definition, should be capable of heightened echelons of decision-making and abstract thought) are so one-dimensional in how they exhibit the subjective concepts of good and evil.

This little bit ^_^

but I'm over it. Sooo lets just Not give a fuck and move the hell on? kay? trash the whole good/evil idea and lets, instead of being complete and total jackwagons to eachother, BRAINSTORM!!!

How about this idea:
A small group of rebels began a village in the forbidden forest lead by a demon king (it's forbidden because it is said to be cursed) they grew quietly, building a village then a town then a city now a fortress, it took them years but they kept to themselves letting know one know of their uprising, building weapons and armor, breeding and recruiting silently assassinating those who opposed. building an army and gaining allies such as the goblins, orcs, demons and dragons. (If you wanna be any of those but good [or bad] feel free) Then the demon leader sent word to the capital of the land Lakanrise requesting they slaughter their king and hand over the throne. Tossed into panic the people of Lakanrise must defeat the force that wishes to destroy their city.

Ragnarok said
This little bit ^_^ but I'm over it. Sooo lets just Not give a fuck and move the hell on? kay? trash the whole good/evil idea and lets, instead of being complete and total jackwagons to eachother, BRAINSTORM!!!

You seriously got mad over criticism?

Yeah, I can see how this is going to turn out.

Cya.