Well...

Jurassic Park:

Kiara: 0 unless she knew how to subdue them
Arianna: Probably 5 or 6
Raeven: 20 or more with a gun

Real Life:

Kiara: She'd probably shoo them off
Arianna: "I thought they were extinct?"
Raeven: 0

RockFace, a couple problems with that last post. First, I could taste the metagaming, and there was also a hit of god modding. First, you controlled the soldier, saying he was conscious and awake, without discussin it with Yugeto. Sometimes tiny scenes like that are allowed to be RP'd by someone else, but not when it completely destroys what the character was doing. Second, your character, a young 15 yr old gymnast, is suddenly super suspicious about the second girl who approached her and saved her? Your suspicion is drawn from the fact that you probably read Okani's CS or previous posts. This is called META GAMING.

It means your characters know something about the world because YOU (the roleplayer) know it. It's not good (for example, I know the entire military's plans CUZ I'm writing them, but it would be really dumb to have one of my characters suddenly know them too, and thwart the entire army).

B'a suspicion of Ciara IS kind of uncalled for but if you want B to be paranoid I'll let it slip, but the suspicion that the soldier and the girl are ONE is completely meta gaming.

You're new so I understand, trust me. You'll get better and things like this won't happen! But if you wouldnt mind editing your post I would appreciate that.

Someone has got to collab with me :P

Fat Boy Kyle said
Someone has got to collab with me :P

LMAO! Naked Vates!

Originally my post didn't have the suspicions of them working together, but finding the man unharmed opened this really big dialogue between B and Z. I still have that earlier version , I'll revert to that and start from there.

As for the rest of the post, I communicated my character's intentions clearly in my previous post. B stated out loud that she wanted to loot the man's body. She thought to herself that she didn't immediately trust the woman. I narrated that B didn't want to start off at a social disadvantage.

I left things open with my previous interaction for a number of paths.

Ciara goes on a rant trying to belittle B and make her out to be a nervous wreck. Yes B was caught out by the military man (which I only wrote because I felt I was written into a corner but that's fine), but B, after having a gun in her face, gets straight to business. I don't write her as nervous, I write her as pissed at herself and determined to improve. That is my character.

After being talked down to and treated like a child (even though she is one), after having the only thing she said (about looting) scoffed at, what reason does B have to travel with this woman? Bowing to Ciara after being treated awfully then walked away from does not fit my character.

So now that B decided not to follow Ciara what does she do? Exactly what she said she would do. Out loud. In exactly the same way as was written in her flashback.

I'm sorry, but I thought it was completely in-character and appropriate. B was left with the woman walking away from her, heading to Kell acting like she knew exactly what B would do. B investigated the man who was down who she thought was injured/unconscious/dead. Who clearly had loot she could trade.

I'm not trying to shut down any discussion, I encourage it. I'm just trying to thoroughly lay out my thought process so you know where I'm coming from.

You missed the point though: You said the military man (which is in fact, Yugeto's character) was concious:

" she saw the man startle and open his eyes"

And furthermore:

"The soldier had been mostly unharmed"

1) What happened to the soldier was consequence of Ciara, who is ALSO Yugeto's character. Hence, it is up to Yugeto to determine whether that Soldier is dead/alive/whatever. However, you forced him to be awake, and that gave your character the suspicion that Ciara didn't intend to hurt him.

2) By suspecting that Ciara didn't intend to hurt him, you're meta gaming. Because, yes, Ciara didn't intend to hurt him, but how well she deceived you is upto the damage SHE did and by the ability of the soldier's acting, which is ALSO determined by Yugeto.

In the end, all you that could lead Beatrice to come to such a conclusion is the ability to have inhuman, godlike insight on a situation that was nothing more than a host defending another host, though that host had a nasty attitude. Beatrice may be a survivalist, she may even be really smart. But there is no way that (based on Ciara's actions), Beatrice would have "figured out" some sort of teamwork between the soldier and Ciara. This is mostly because I'm forced to void your control of the soldier waking up, since he wasn't your character to control. It would be like, if at the end of his post, Yugeto said:

"As Ciara began walking towards Kell, she looked to Beatrice, who followed intently. She obviously had no idea what was going on, as she was completely trusting of Ciara. Judging by the ease of which she was willing to follow, Ciara determined that the girl must have been a 15 year old. Seeing that she was rather thin, she deduced that she was a gymnast whose last name was Magin."

See? It's a drastic example, but it involves both the problems that were evident in the post. 1) Godding (controlling someone else's character) 2) making unreasonable conclusions via metagaming.

Are gymnasts usually thin? Yes. But so are swimmers, anorexics, and cinnamon sticks. But I can't conclude that just because someone is thin, they are either of those. Similarly, your link between the soldier being "unharmed" and "concious" (Which I repeat, are godding) to "Ciara is scheming something" are unreasonable. Also consider the fact that, even if Yugeto (for some reason) agreed to have the soldier be "unharmed", he WAS undeniably launched away from the two. Ciara DID save her. And if Beatrice doesn't like Ciara's wording, fine, she can walk away, that's perfectly okay. It may make Beatrice seem a bit paranoid, but given the circumstances, she wouldn't be any weirder than the stranger so willing to offer help. Or would she? Wouldn't Ciara's offering of help be exactly what the Golden Mercenaries had done in Sovereign when they asked everyone to join them? But that's a whole different story.

Just remember two key points: 1) Can't control the soldier, 2) Unreasonable suspicion. Maybe a little suspicion is acceptable, but you can't suddenly be pondering Ciara's biggest secret based on some tiny piece of evidence.

RockFace said
I'm not trying to shut down any discussion, I encourage it. I'm just trying to thoroughly lay out my thought process so you know where I'm coming from.

Don't worry bro, we're all on the same team. And honestly, it's not like you broke a law or anything lol, we're all good. Besides, it WAS perfectly reasonable for B to want to loot the soldier, and Ciara's choice to deny her that WAS KINDA suspicious. I already told Yugeto his delivery of the character was bad and he overdid what he was supposed to do. But it's all good, we'll just do it better next time.

"sending the military body out of sight but barely harmed." "Meanwhile, Okani's military body rested to gather lost spirit;" That doesn't read to me as unconscious, sorry.

Yugeto, if you want to message me and we can edit our posts to make this interaction smoother, I'm down. I thought I had my character responding appropriately to the demeanor your character had.

edit: Just edited my post to remove the speculation by B and her Kage. It's still clumsy in this state, so I'll need to edit it again for sure.

RockFace said
"sending the military body out of sight but barely harmed." "Meanwhile, Okani's military body rested to gather lost spirit;" That doesn't read to me as unconscious, sorry.Yugeto, if you want to message me and we can edit our posts to make this interaction smoother, I'm down. I thought I had my character responding appropriately to the demeanor your character had.

Right, that was to clarify that Ciara didn't actually harm the body, but it appeared like it to your character. If I'm tricking you into thinking I beat the shit out of my friend, I'm not going to actually hurt my friend in doing so. If you were meant to be given the opportunity to pick up on any suspicious lack of actual harm, Yugeto would have written something like;

"..the body was clearly not attacked with full force, and the lack of any actual killing intent" was nothing less than obvious" then your reaction would have been suitable. But were he to NOT write anything about not harming the body, it would leave took for questions due to unclarity like "he just slammed that body away, how can it still walk? Is it dead?"

Also, in case you didn't know, Yugeto is in fact a GM xD he was trying to help guide your character to the center of the action. He wasn't trying to God mod or outplay you, although he went overboard in assuming you'd do everything the way he liked and set it up awkwardly (he didn't allow enough room for different takes on the event. It was either follow or awkwardly ignore her, instead of having his character receive confirmation).

But don't think Yugeto meant any ill of your character, we are ESPECIALLY a keen on separating OOC and IC. If someone's character is bitchy and acts nasty with yours, don't get offended and respond the same way unless it's what YOR CHARACTERS would do (which Beatrice would probably do considering she's your new character). Okani is a really strange character and you'll see that he doesn't care much for another character's formalities or satisfaction. This is a Kage roaming the world with nothing more than the desire to overcome the weak.

Good to see you playing safe though. That's exactly the kind of tone I want to set for this chapter, just as long as it doesn't mess up plot or plans (like prematurely discovering Okani's secret LOL).

EDIT: Wow that last post had so many errors. I typed it from my phone, my bad!

Lol we gotta stop doing these one paragraph iphone posts.

I can easily split these posts into two short paragraphs.

I am still confused on the unconscious thing. I realize that my character was supposed to think that the soldier was out of action. The mindset of my character was supposed to think the soldier was down, but without investigating how would we know? If the man had a gun, it doesn't matter if he's bleeding out and going to die in a few seconds, a lucky shot can kill someone. That was supposed to be my character being careful, and being surprised that someone who survived Sovereign wasn't being careful.

I really really really really like character depth. I realize that he was trying to help me get B to people, and I'm thankful for that. I don't plan on B just hopping in with the main group once I'm there. If it makes sense for my character, then I will. If you guys help it make sense, then that's good collaborative storytelling which is really what I'm here for :)

What I'm confused about is what actually happened to the man, not from my character's perspective? She didn't harm the body but she smashed his head? Are concussions not a big deal in this universe? Do people get knocked out all the time? Or he just instantly knocked himself out and put himself to sleep to charge his spirit? I thought that him startling would be a good reaction whether he was still awake and resting or had just fallen asleep.

This is escalating out of control.

RockFace said
I am still confused on the unconscious thing. I realize that my character was supposed to think that the soldier was out of action. The mindset of my character was supposed to think the soldier was down, but without investigating how would we know? If the man had a gun, it doesn't matter if he's bleeding out and going to die in a few seconds, a lucky shot can kill someone. That was supposed to be my character being careful, and being surprised that someone who survived Sovereign wasn't being careful.I really really really really like character depth. I realize that he was trying to help me get B to people, and I'm thankful for that. I don't plan on B just hopping in with the main group once I'm there. If it makes sense for my character, then I will. If you guys help it make sense, then that's good collaborative storytelling which is really what I'm here for :)What I'm confused about is what actually happened to the man, not from my character's perspective? She didn't harm the body but she smashed his head? Are concussions not a big deal in this universe? Do people get knocked out all the time? Or he just instantly knocked himself out and put himself to sleep to charge his spirit? I thought that him startling would be a good reaction whether he was still awake and resting or had just fallen asleep.

He was just acting to be gone, honestly I feel like Yugeto should edit his post. The whole military man scene is pointless when Ciara could just ask B if she wanted to team up or something.

Hey guys, I know none of us want the OOC to get all messed up by this situation that clearly has gotten a bit out of hand, and I'm sorry for the trouble this misunderstanding caused. I PMed RockFace and I'm sure the two of us will sort it all out for the best.

Collaborating with Yugeto now, just an fyi to anyone curious

ninja'd, nvm

Happy Holidays everyone!

I'd like to apologize for being irrational and spamming OOC chat. I was in a confrontational mood from stuff that happened irl, and I didn't quite realize at the time that it carried over to the forums both IC and OOC. It did, and I'm sorry.

Hope everyone has a great time with family and friends.