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> And they're not suddenly Venetian. IRL Halifax is focused heavily on private industry and commerce, so it's not much of a transition. It would be more accurate to say that they are a Canadian version of Venice (minus canals) than a Venetian version of Canada. You don't have to literally *be* Venice to be a merchant state. That would be like people addressing themselves by Roman, Latin titles just because they are part of an empire. Adopting Venetian titles and names is not a requisite for every merchant state ever. It's honestly very strange for people in Halifax to suddenly adopt Venetian titles and terms, as if they have anything culturally in-common with Venice or even Italy. You can be a merchant state without a Doge, and without calling yourself a 'Serene Republic'. Those are pretty much Venetian terms (and Genoan, I guess) and about as far from Canadian as you can get. It comes off.. weird, I guess. It doesn't fit. Unless you claim that the founders were obsessed with Venice and decided to adopt titles and names. It would give you a reason for why they are used, but it honestly wouldn't make it any less weird, in my opinion. I get the possibility of a merchant state forming in Halifax. What I don't get is why they are pretending to be Venice, as if it's required. It would make more sense to be a merchant state, but still be.. Canadian. EDIT: Not to seem imposing or too judgmental, by the way. I'm just outspoken, I guess. It's ultimately your own opinion that matters.
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As a Canadian I can say while I do think of Halifax as a marinetime province and one heavily invested in it's ports and sea trade industry. I also can in no way find the link between it and venice. Certainly if Halifax were ever to become independent than yes they would be a trade focused nation simply out of both necessity because of their size and convenience because of their resources, but if anything they would probably return to their Gaelic roots (which are still quite deep over there believe me) for language and society structure. They are proud of their 'New Scotland' heritage and even promote it at times. This is not to say they wouldn't still be a trade nation, just not a cut and paste 'neo Venice' if you will. Probably something with a slight Scottish tinge to it.
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Could we expand the map to include Greenland?
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Do you really want to isolate yourself like that, So Boerd?
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So after thinking about this, reserve the Bay Area for me. Going to build a technocratic nation in my home.
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> Do you really want to isolate yourself like that, So Boerd? Republic of Ithlumanolilmunil.
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> > And they're not suddenly Venetian. IRL Halifax is focused heavily on private industry and commerce, so it's not much of a transition. It would be more accurate to say that they are a Canadian version of Venice (minus canals) than a Venetian version of Canada. > > You don't have to literally *be* Venice to be a merchant state. That would be like people addressing themselves by Roman, Latin titles just because they are part of an empire. Adopting Venetian titles and names is not a requisite for every merchant state ever. It's honestly very strange for people in Halifax to suddenly adopt Venetian titles and terms, as if they have anything culturally in-common with Venice or even Italy. > > You can be a merchant state without a Doge, and without calling yourself a 'Serene Republic'. Those are pretty much Venetian terms (and Genoan, I guess) and about as far from Canadian as you can get. It comes off.. weird, I guess. It doesn't fit. Unless you claim that the founders were obsessed with Venice and decided to adopt titles and names. It would give you a reason for why they are used, but it honestly wouldn't make it any less weird, in my opinion. > > I get the possibility of a merchant state forming in Halifax. What I don't get is why they are pretending to be Venice, as if it's required. It would make more sense to be a merchant state, but still be.. Canadian. > > EDIT: Not to seem imposing or too judgmental, by the way. I'm just outspoken, I guess. It's ultimately your own opinion that matters. > > > > As a Canadian I can say while I do think of Halifax as a marinetime province and one heavily invested in it's ports and sea trade industry. I also can in no way find the link between it and venice. Certainly if Halifax were ever to become independent than yes they would be a trade focused nation simply out of both necessity because of their size and convenience because of their resources, but if anything they would probably return to their Gaelic roots (which are still quite deep over there believe me) for language and society structure. They are proud of their 'New Scotland' heritage and even promote it at times. > > This is not to say they wouldn't still be a trade nation, just not a cut and paste 'neo Venice' if you will. Probably something with a slight Scottish tinge to it. I get what you are saying. I shall make a few adjustments to my nation sheet. It's just I like Venice :)
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> Do you really want to isolate yourself like that, So Boerd? Don't let your mercator projection fool you. It's a short trip to the St. Lawrence and besides, I got Hallifax man to keep me company.
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West Coast living is where it's at. You can keep your eastern North America.
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> > Do you really want to isolate yourself like that, So Boerd? > > Don't let your mercator projection fool you. It's a short trip to the St. Lawrence and besides, I got Hallifax man to keep me company. Lucky you :) > West Coast living is where it's at. You can keep your eastern North America. Yes, but when the colonisation phase comes up, it's a shorter trip across the Atlantic than the Pacific :P
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>Yes, but when the colonisation phase comes up, it's a shorter trip across the Atlantic than the Pacific :P I HAS TEH AIREOPLANES! Though they probably aren't in good condition, having sat there for decades.
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> >Yes, but when the colonisation phase comes up, it's a shorter trip across the Atlantic than the Pacific :P > > I HAS TEH AIREOPLANES! Though they probably aren't in good condition, having sat there for decades. You also need highly specific fuel for them. You can't pump straight gasoline into a plane engine and throw the starter. Plane fuel is made to a very different grade of fuel than automobiles with different additives. And I'd imagine many of these additives are not available to a post-industrial decline country.
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Nation's Name: Bismarck Leader: Kane Weltford Territory: ![enter image description here](http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk12/Taunter/Bismark_1.jpg "enter image title here") Technology: The technology held by the people of Bismarck is set over a wide-range. Left behind by the decline of civilization across the wider world the people left in the Dakotas were left with a considerable supplies of corn or soy which is routinely refined for its bio fuel. This goes into the limited lighting and heating needs of Bismarck. However with the loss of the greater power and technology grid of North America so did the bulk of the Dakota's power source and the closing of the region's coal power plants, thus reinforcing the daily demand of refined bio fuels to light lamps and generate heat. Beyond basic heating and lighting there is still a demand in fuel for motor engines, although in certain decline due in part to end of spare part production. Although the people of Bismarck can certainly maintain trucks and other vehicles their life-time is in question with many people recognizing that in time even their ability to run them will soon end. Coupled with a generally limited fuel supply automotive travel is far from the ideal mode of casual travel and limited only to being the core of caravans. For general travel the people of Bismarck have turned full scale into modes dominated by the horse. Hundreds of years since the taming of the west the iconic Conestoga wagon has returned to the Badlands and there's been a witnessed revival in horse riding. This means being how many within the Bismarck territories can keep a lead over the dead. Many technological assets considered unimportant to survival have been forgotten over fifty years of survival in the Dakota north. Skill sets such as shooting, maintenance of or crafting of firearms, and numerous arts to survive the wilderness were reintroduced to the survivors. Now, many people can not claim to read, or if they can their literary skills are lacking. However what they make up for in that is a considerable field in the skills passed down from father to sun throughout the new tribes. Description of Society: Society under the Bismarck territories is largely defined by renewed nomadism after many of the smaller towns fell to the living dead. Though many these settlements have been largely emptied of their shambling inhabitants – or they themselves left – what remained was far too ruined for the already meager and thin population of the Dakotas to return to. For those that remained traveling the country-side was a safer alternative to setting down roots anywhere. Because of the presumption of nomadism many former Dakotans have little to no personal possessions. Anything they have being owned by the band – The Ranch – for the benefit of the whole. The sciences and education have been reduced to the necessities so young men and women can pull their part sooner and education is carried out on a father-son relationship or as a relationship with the youth with the entire group, all of which assisting their maturation and capabilities. The only place that resembles in any effort the old world is the city of Bismarck, the former capital of North Dakota. Cleaned of the walking dead by former Army colonel Kane Weltford, Bismarck stands as the effective – if informal – capital of the Dakotas. Bismarck's influence coming from how preserved it's been held as its central location as a meeting point between all the bands as they seek trade across the territories. Bismarck is also home to the largest refineries of bio-diesel, although smaller stations remain scattered across the Dakotas. Trade in the former Dakotas is devoid of money, many goods being traded on equal weight of necessity or as gift economy of sorts. Between the peoples fuel and the remaining spare parts can be bartered out for live-stock, skins, scrap, or metals pulled from the wilds and refined in the field. A curious sight in Bismarck is the Avenue of Trophies on the lawn of the old state capitals, here from across the territories the heads of the slain dead are collected and displayed for all to see. With the written names of the collectors, the many thousands of hunters across the Dakotas travel to Bismarck to set out for display their fight against the risen dead in exchange for prestige and fame among the whole of the “nation”. The Avenue's central location proves an incredibly strategic with nearly every citizen of the territories having seen it at least once in their life. The interest in head-hunting is a growing militant sport carried out by an entire caste of warrior named the Lazarenes. Taking inspiration from the Bible on the hopes mankind may be revived from death as was Lazarus with the Jesus the Lazarenes seek to eliminate the threat of the dead in a concentrated effort. The Lazarenes practice their art in a professional manner, almost like knights and take on their own apprentices as a sort of Squire. Over many years a Lazarene matures his survival capabilities and martial prowess and as such they are considered the best fighting force in the Dakotas; however the informal code of the Lazarenes greatly discourages the killing of a living human, though exceptions remain; they exist for their defense. The Lazarene organization has come to heavily influence many decisions in Bismarck. Of considerable importance being the care of the body postmortem. Though it started as controversial and inspired considerably ire and offense from traditionally set Christian groups the Lazarenes inspired the postmortem decapitation of the body of any dead, or the wide-spread cremation of a corpse to prevent the rise of new dead. For anything that dies it must be disassembled or reduced to dust. By this reaching informal law it's become something akin to a criminal act to not dispose of any body in this matter, and may be added onto sentences. Another group influenced by the Lazarene and in turned they're influenced by are the survivor Native American populations of the American North. Following the return of their buried dead as monsters the Lakota-Sioux, Dakota, and Lakota peoples came to the Lazarene's terms to adapt their burial practices inspiring a rise of urn burials or heavier restraints on the bodies during more traditional ceremonies. Or if not that, finally and ultimately cremating the bodies of the dead. The Indian tribes fared decently in the new world, relative to the rest. The confines of the old reservations were breached as they fled ahead of the angry dead and they integrated into the fabric of the Bismarck territories, although to a extent they are effectively independent. Although the central political and economic position of the city of Bismarck puts them still in the firm influence of the city itself and thus as much a part of the “nation” as they were in America prior. The native tribes were however a reinforcing demographic to the revival of the ancient customs that had for the most part decayed. Thus, the relationships between them and the white-man is of mutual survival, even if still there is racial animosity. Finally, the territories of Bismarck is defined less by official decree and only by what they can manage in keeping clean. There is little official boundary or a point where a man may say for certain whether they have passed into or out of Bismarck. Often it is said that when one travels and finds five of the living dead or signs there-of, they have left Bismarck. Industry: The industrial capability of Bismarck is largely self-sustaining with hardly anything that may be considered an export. Held as being isolated from any other meaningful community no part of the economy has developed out to be exported and instead is focused inwards. There is some production of raw materials in the form of fuel and food product, or scraps pulled from the ruins inside and outside of Bismarck territory.
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> > >Yes, but when the colonisation phase comes up, it's a shorter trip across the Atlantic than the Pacific :P > > > > I HAS TEH AIREOPLANES! Though they probably aren't in good condition, having sat there for decades. > > You also need highly specific fuel for them. You can't pump straight gasoline into a plane engine and throw the starter. Plane fuel is made to a very different grade of fuel than automobiles with different additives. And I'd imagine many of these additives are not available to a post-industrial decline country. I wonder though (and I really don't know), does this rule change when you get to early-model planes? Could they make something like [this](http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/032/0/6/Plane_World_War_1_by_Pervandr.jpg)?
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> > > >Yes, but when the colonisation phase comes up, it's a shorter trip across the Atlantic than the Pacific :P > > > > > > I HAS TEH AIREOPLANES! Though they probably aren't in good condition, having sat there for decades. > > > > You also need highly specific fuel for them. You can't pump straight gasoline into a plane engine and throw the starter. Plane fuel is made to a very different grade of fuel than automobiles with different additives. And I'd imagine many of these additives are not available to a post-industrial decline country. > > I wonder though (and I really don't know), does this rule change when you get to early-model planes? Could they make something like [this](http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/032/0/6/Plane_World_War_1_by_Pervandr.jpg)? You probably could but it be inefficient or highly dangerous. Aviation fuel is made to burn easily and have a lower flash-point, which you reach with more intense refining. It also needs to not gel in low temperatures. And even as far back as WW1 you needed to get to a pretty specific fuel grade so your already match-box airplane doesn't burst into flames. I think the general octane grade was 70. By comparison "normal" fuel was something like 50, which was like drinking your own piss for airplanes. I'd think getting up to 50 with minimal to no industry would be a pain. You could run an engine on it. Just don't expect it to run good. I don't know about bio-diesel for plane engines either. I know they got stills you can throw in the back of your truck and basically make car-engine grade fuel from that. But I don't know if that extends to aircraft.
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Also something that was gnawing at me since I first posted, and something I'm hoping OP has considered: not everyone buries their dead and most often the funerary rights of other cultures totally destroy the body. For instance: China now-a-days REQUIRES you cremate your dead. At least among the Han majority. Groups like the Hui get a free pass because of their Muslim beliefs, which strictly forbid the cremation of the dead. Like wise in the area, Tibetan tradition dictates that a body is to be chopped up and literally fed to the vultures in a process known as sky-burial. So China and Tibet shouldn't have any bodies when it comes to main-land Asia; apart from a few minority groups there's no bodies in China any more to raise up from the dead, they keep burning them. Same in India across the Himalayas. Although cremation isn't strictly enforced and there is a cheap alternative to cremation called, "Throwing uncle Raj in the river". But cremation in India is heavily practiced and is encouraged by the Hindu, Sikh, and Jainist faith. It's like-wise encouraged in Buddhism but not as heavily as the Hindus. So they'd be having a living-corpse deficit from within the borders to be a strict threat. The Japanese also often cremate their dead. This may sound like it's completely defeating the purpose of the RP, but if the source of this mass-rising of the dead is originating for "Christian" western countries and the Muslim world then it can be strongly argued that as a whole that'd be enough damage to devastate the world economy and draw India and China back, in addition to Japan (if Japan isn't being swarmed from any native corpses buried under Christian rights). But I'm pretty sure the Chinese or the Indians wouldn't have failed as a state given their large nations with a considerable amount of living people and they could hold off anyone coming. The "shock" might be when the recently deceased get back up and start killing things. But a morgue can be easily locked tight and the whole thing torched to the ground. Then demand everyone torch their dead a lot sooner. We can still preserve a sort of apocalypse scenario in the US though. It's just a qualm with the wider lore. Some manner of quarantine placed on the world from Asia way can keep the status quo and likely make Hindustan and China sort of legends in their own right for the possibility they may still exist.
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The problem is exponential growth and how hard these things are to kill. Zombie bear, for example, is basically invincible and will probably make a lot of zombie people.
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> The problem is exponential growth and how hard these things are to kill. Zombie bear, for example, is basically invincible and will probably make a lot of zombie people. Bears to begin with aren't exactly all over the place and maybe a considerable problem in Colorado and up in Canada. But human growth would have pushed them deep into thick wild life reservations. So chances are a zombie bear won't "sense" a human as readily as a zombie-person because they're not anywhere where there are people. Zombie tigers: sure. But there's also not many and they're only all of four places set aside for them in India. Push comes to shove high-explosive ordinance will take care of them if the Indian military needs to sacrifice an iconic species just to keep them from killing enough people to make a new hot-spot for an epidemic.
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I didn't even know we could have planes and such. And I was assuming that all this colonization talk was about colonizing territory *within* North America, not across the Atlantic. That seems like a bit of a stretch for a bunch of nations that are supposed to be barely getting through day-to-day. I figured the furthest "colonization" would go would be, like.. some dudes in Oregon "colonizing" a bit of Washington for its resources, or something like that. Cross-Atlantic trips seem a bit much. As do planes (and drones, as I read in someone's sheet).
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