Also, it could not be reducing mass, otherwise people would know, because if mass was reduced not only would the laws of physics be out the window [even more so than now], but also collisions would not be a problem in the slightest.

"RAMMING SPEED!" *Comical Boink*

We're doing everything we can to keep armored warfare out. That's why we stopped the Communist Mecha: such things would pave the way for PANZERKAMPF, which while being fucking awesome is not the focus of the game at first.

We need to have an NRP entirely focused around badass tanks. Like, an alt-history where infantry was entirely forgotten the moment tanks showed up, and now everyone just uses tanks and nothing else. Not even aircraft. It's just tanks.

Tanks are highly dependent on infantry support to get their jobs done. If you wanted a world where tanks just stared at each other across open plains, firing wildly but never capturing ground for any significant amount of time, then yeah, it'd work. Otherwise, you'd need infantry.

Tanks are highly dependent on infantry support to get their jobs done. If you wanted a world where tanks just stared at each other across open plains, firing wildly but never capturing ground for any significant amount of time, then yeah, it'd work. Otherwise, you'd need infantry.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RuleOfCool

Heh, telling a Preciprick about the rule of cool. Have you looked at some of the shit in Preciprick threads? If we had a holy text, the rule of cool would be somewhere near the start.

@Keyguyperson Move your sheet on over, looks good. @So Boerd Don't worry about it m8, you can put as much effort into stuff as you want. It would be hypocritical of me to shit on you for wanting to make your stuff follow logic and have solid numbers attached to it when I do that all the time. Verisimilitude is something to be commended, I'm just throwing it out there that things are also pretty fantastical so hand-waving is fine.

Keyguy, that would be hilarious, because one day one man would remove the gun from his tank and re-create the AT gun. And the world woud be changed forever.

Mid Sheet update, to address several points brought up. ~On colossal ships, I actually don't have any. To Resian high command, they make no sense. Common rule of thumb, even in WW2, was that a shore gun is worth three naval guns of the same caliber in a counter battery duel due to the difficulty aiming on the rocking sea, and the better defense that a shore gun has. A naval gun, which is almost indubitably better protected and more stable than an air ship gun, is probably worth some measure more. In the sea control focus of the Resian navy, naval guns get better results for far cheaper in all but one case: Reconaissance. So I have hybrid air-sea destroyers that scout.

-Disregard-

I don't want to talk people out of doing their own thing. But I'm pretty sure we established pressurization doesn't exist, so the highest the airships can go is circa 8000 feet.

I'm not exactly sure why you all joined a steampunk RP, seemingly with the intent of dismantling the things that set it apart from being an ordinary late 19th century game. It's a bit like joining a fantasy nation RP and saying that magic and dragons are inconceivable. They are inconceivable, but it's kind of the point. It's sort of what the point of fiction is.

I made hybrid airships regular ships that shoot huge volleys of rockets. I can't think of anything MORE steampunk! From the perspective of Resia, Airbattleships would be vastly more effective against armies because armies can't move the big guns required to pierce their armor like navies can. Resia doesn't really care about land combat, hence no big huge expensive battleships.

I understand the science, same. I am the asshole who joins a spreadable-scifi space opera game then makes RKKVs and shit to ruin everyone's fun. Peppermint and Soboerd, my recommendation would be to not try and criticize others and tell them to be smart, but just to play smart and use things the way science says they should be, then balance around that. That is the best way to use science, in low-realism games. One of my favourite things to do is to play in space opera nation RPs and play some shitty underdog single-planet hoot civilization, then fight as equals with massive empires due to science. As a side note, the shore battery to naval gun ratio is in effect before defenses are taken into account - it is simply a statement of accuracy, not of durability, and that number comes from before the 2nd world war, I am almost certain. Side Side note, limbered anti-aircraft guns are very feasible and I am positing that my Nation at least has a piece of semi-mobile artillery that is capable of hitting Elan-powered ships

Shit, I am not trying to dismantle anything. If it seems that way, I apologize. I am not even formally in the RP, just observing. The solution is simple though: make airships more versatile. Allow them to be able to get over these shortcomings. EDIT: I deleted my post. I don't want to seem intrusive or like I am trying to ruin everything.

I don't want to talk people out of doing their own thing. But I'm pretty sure we established pressurization doesn't exist, so the highest the airships can go is circa 8000 feet.

The atmosphere stays thick for a really long while. Boom, no more height problems.

Keyguy, that brings up a million more inconsistencies in the world, seeing as a larger atmosphere would almost certainly have a massive effect on evolution, and as such flora and fauna would be super different.

Shit, I am not trying to dismantle anything. If it seems that way, I apologize. I am not even formally in the RP, just observing. The solution is simple though: make airships more versatile. Allow them to be able to get over these shortcomings.

Their shortcomings are balanced by their strengths. The limited height is all that makes them balanced. The higher they go, the more range they get and the harder they become to hit. At sea, the target is small, so the range benefit that their 8000 feet gives them is negated by wind reducing accuracy. On land, the target is gigantic, so they can evade the enemy fire while engaging (provided they are not surprised by hidden guns). So basically airships do exactly the role we envision they would and should: Demolish with extreme prejudice the natives without being OP on civilized nations.

Physics is a fallacy. This world is not in the same reality as ours. All your arguments are pointless. If someone has an idea about tech and no one disagrees its real, if most people disagree, you are using Nazi scientists. Now then... since I logic-ed with no logic I think that's a Win-Win? P.S. Dont think the Natives will susceptible to airships for long... if its in my interests to arm them... I will ;)

@So Boerd Eh, I deleted the post anyway. It came off worse than I intended and I don't mean to dismantle what makes the RP what it is, that being fantasy. And in the end it comes down to how committed players are to playing fairly and with the purpose of creating a good cooperative story. If players have their sights on that, there should be no arguments over what can hit what, or who should win, ect. That's what's important.

@So Boerd Eh, I deleted the post anyway. It came off worse than I intended and I don't mean to dismantle what makes the RP what it is, that being fantasy. And in the end it comes down to how committed players are to playing fairly and with the purpose of creating a good cooperative story. If players have their sights on that, there should be no arguments over what can hit what, or who should win, ect. That's what's important.

I agree, yet I don't mistake the RP paradigm I want with the one that exists. As an aside, I cannot stress enough how much this is really just for other people who want to be realistic. I have been super careful to stress "Resian" perspective, "Resian doctrine". Surprise the Resians. However, physics has made me MORE creative, not less. Amphibious rocket barges that fly super fast. Never would have come up with that otherwise.

Every year when summer comes round, off to the sea I go. I don't care if I do spend a pound, I'm rather rash I know. See me dressed like all the sports, in my blazer and a pair of shorts. With my little stick of Blackpool Rock, along the promenade I stroll. It may be sticky but I never complain, it's nice to have a nibble at it now and again Every day wherever I stray the kids all round me flock. One afternoon the band conductor up on his stand Somehow lost his baton - it flew out of his hand So I jumped in his place and then conducted the band With my little stick of Blackpool Rock With my little stick of Blackpool Rock, Along the promenade I stroll, In my pocket it got stuck I could tell Cause when I pulled it out I pulled my shirt off as well Every day wherever I stray the kids all round me flock. A girl while bathing clung to me, my wits had to use She cried, "I'm drowning, and to save me, you won't refuse" I said, "Well if you're drowning then I don't want to lose My little stick of Blackpool Rock. " With my little stick of Blackpool Rock, Along the promenade I stroll In the ballroom I went dancing each night No wonder every girl that danced with me, stuck to me tight Every day wherever I stray the kids all round me flock. A fellow took my photograph it cost one and three. I said when it was done, "Is that supposed to be me?" "You've properly mucked it up the only thing I can see is My little stick of Blackpool Rock. "