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Oh I'm well aware of my nation's vulnerabilities, and the challenges it faces. That's why I floated it. I don't want to sit down and spam away at a keyboard, moving X fleet to nation Z, researching doomsday weapon 0 whilst ordering the building of Mechanised Division L. That stuff gets old, and fast. You start looking around and seeing your opponents mirroring you at every turn - which is fine, and you know, realistic. But I like flare, and the Kingdom of Naples will have much flare.

King Pagani's story will either be one of tragedy, or one of glory. Either way it's gonna be a fun and interesting ride.

Anyway, thanks for the shout out with the wine. I'm off to go and do some more research on what else I can sell you scoundrels, before you come rolling in with your tanks and robotised sea monkeys.


I am actually not planning to go to war with anyone. I want to do alot of diplomacy. Wars cost so much money, why not settle a dispute with some words instead of the lives of a generation?
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Still a little bit in comparison to a country 1/5 the size of Europe. :P

You think I would take the Netherlands instead of France just because I come from the Netherlands? With Indonesia I have loads of blue coal :D


Yes, but what with the Pokolgödör mine, Eisenkreis-Kzechverin has all the Blue Coal they could possibly need, and enough to export. The mine goes pretty deep, and thusly is why they are able to access a cache of the mineral equal to that of the Asian region. So, go ahead and keep Indonesia =P I don't want any colonies anyways xD
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Let me ask you guys an idea. Since Australia broke away from England before the 1850s, what do you think about the states of Australia never happening and it all under one unified banner of the Commonwealth. Meaning that that Australian Colonial government act never happened.
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Let me ask you guys an idea. Since Australia broke away from England before the 1850s, what do you think about the states of Australia never happening and it all under one unified banner of the Commonwealth. Meaning that that Australian Colonial government act never happened.


You mean Australia being a dominion of the UK or what? I didnt really understand your post, probably because I'm an idiot :P
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During actual history, whole Australia was a colony of the British it was broken up in to different states like America. Since in the thread it is a sovereign nation that would mean Australia never got broke up into states and the whole continent is actually one nation and Tasmania is it's own nation unless Britain wants to retain control over it.
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Yes, but what with the Pokolgödör mine, Eisenkreis-Kzechverin has all the Blue Coal they could possibly need, and enough to export. The mine goes pretty deep, and thusly is why they are able to access a cache of the mineral equal to that of the Asian region. So, go ahead and keep Indonesia =P I don't want any colonies anyways xD


Just to confirm the situation...I have the entire US and all of it's blue coal and I have been told I can manage to match the output of a small Asian country, such as Vietnam or Burma...how do you have so much that you can match Asia when we have been told that Asia dominates this market. It makes no sense to me??? Unless you have been told otherwise :L

EDIT: Also why is everyone talking of war already, lets try and be diplomatic and like real countries here. War is expensive, time consuming and no good for anyone, so it is never a first choice :L
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Just to confirm the situation...I have the entire US and all of it's blue coal and I have been told I can manage to match the output of a small Asian country, such as Vietnam or Burma...how do you have so much that you can match Asia when we have been told that Asia dominates this market. It makes no sense to me??? Unless you have been told otherwise :L


I had it cleared with Duck for Kzechverin to be the major supplier in Europe.
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I had it cleared with Duck for Kzechverin to be the major supplier in Europe.


Fine by me then :)
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Wouldnt it actually make more sense for a small European nation like Switzerland to be the main supplier of Blue Coal in Europe itself? Because giving a huge mine to a major power gives them a huge advantage over the others. If Switzerland was the main supplier then no one could really do anything about it. Imagine France invading Switzerland for the coal, then Germany and Austria would advance into Switzerland aswell to "protect" the population (And the coal). That way there will not be a major power who gets a major advantage in the early game and if such an invasion were to occur then it would either split the coal amoung different factions instead of giving it all to one or there would be a return to the status quo.

Sure I play the Netherlands and have Indonesia. But the Netherlands are small in Europe and I dont have the population to compete with the likes of Germany and France, thus this advantage balances out. If people still think it wouldnt be fair then I am willing to give up on Indonesia and let it be an independent state or I'll pick another country. It's just that I dont think that it's fair to countries like Germany, France, Russia, the UK and the US to have to rely on trade to get their blue coal while another major European power just happens to have the largest concentration of blue coal in their backyard.
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Wouldnt it actually make more sense for a small European nation like Switzerland to be the main supplier of Blue Coal in Europe itself? Because giving a huge mine to a major power gives them a huge advantage over the others. If Switzerland was the main supplier then no one could really do anything about it. Imagine France invading Switzerland for the coal, then Germany and Austria would advance into Switzerland aswell to "protect" the population (And the coal). That way there will not be a major power who gets a major advantage in the early game and if such an invasion were to occur then it would either split the coal amoung different factions instead of giving it all to one or there would be a return to the status quo.

Sure I play the Netherlands and have Indonesia. But the Netherlands are small in Europe and I dont have the population to compete with the likes of Germany and France, thus this advantage balances out. If people still think it wouldnt be fair then I am willing to give up on Indonesia and let it be an independent state or I'll pick another country. It's just that I dont think that it's fair to countries like Germany, France, Russia, the UK and the US to have to rely on trade to get their blue coal while another major European power just happens to have the largest concentration of blue coal in their backyard.


Really hypocritical of you to say, seeing as how you have claimed in your sheet to be a major supplier and such. There is also the point where I went and had this cleared with Duck BEFORE making my claims. Let's also go into how Hungary is dirt poor, and while they are bound to Austria by a personal union, they are still a very lacking country with a medieval military in a world of airships and mechs.
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Sure I play the Netherlands and have Indonesia. But the Netherlands are small in Europe and I dont have the population to compete with the likes of Germany and France, thus this advantage balances out. If people still think it wouldnt be fair then I am willing to give up on Indonesia and let it be an independent state or I'll pick another country. It's just that I dont think that it's fair to countries like Germany, France, Russia, the UK and the US to have to rely on trade to get their blue coal while another major European power just happens to have the largest concentration of blue coal in their backyard.


Now the Dutch are one of the most industrialised nations in Europe. Being one of the only nations with direct acces to massive Blue Coal mines they have the ability to rival any other nation. Their navy being one of the most modern and it’s army being one of the best drilled they are a force to be reckoned with. Though pasifict by nature, waking this sleeping lion might be a bad idea.


Which is it to be, sunshine?
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Sure, I'll give up on Indonesia if people want me to balance it out. And I admit to @Alfhedil that it's hypocrytical as I forgot that I stated this line: "Their navy being one of the most modern and it’s army being one of the best drilled they are a force to be reckoned with."

I'll leave it up to you to decide and I withdraw my complaint but keep it up there so it doesnt seem I am deleting as if I've said that. If you guys want I can also just leave entirly since I have been having complaints all the time.

Also, if you want to continue this talk, lets do it in PM as to not get the OOC sunk into an argument, ok?
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I'll leave it up to you to decide and I withdraw my complaint but keep it up there so it doesnt seem I am deleting as if I've said that. If you guys want I can also just leave entirly since I have been having complaints all the time.

Also, if you want to continue this talk, lets do it in PM as to not get the OOC sunk into an argument, ok?


No need to leave over one disagreement, besides I've got nothing against you. Was merely a bit "You what." when I saw the post.
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Guys I am letting it slip by this time but I will stick to this rule in the future.

"4. Keep arguments out of the OOC, if there is any add me to a PM with all associated parties and I shall coming to a ruling."

This is not because I am being a asshole, but because I want the OOC to be a nice-friendly and inviting environment. Arguing kind of ruins that.
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Nah, screw it. I say y'all fight about it and declare war on each other as soon as we begin... lol
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No need to leave over one disagreement, besides I've got nothing against you. Was merely a bit "You what." when I saw the post.


He, I can get into that. I realised I sounded like a hypocritical idiot... Just like a politician :P

I'm fine with your coal mine, I didnt read up on your Nation sheet and when you said that you could rival asia I immediatly thought that you would be eploiting the hell out of that mine with hightech machinery. And when you said rival asia I was being an idiot and thought you meant all of it... I'm an idiot. Again, sorry for being a jerk.

EDIT: this post doesnt count as argueing, right? @duck55223
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Nah it doesnt. Your still gurd.

Edit:The player originally intending to take China has dropped, so it is open. You will need to talk to me however as I need to work out combined history in relation to Japan.
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And here is what my app is for those interested.

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The Empire of Japan

Territories:
In addition to of course, Japan, the Empire of Japan controls Korea, Manchukuo(As designated by the Japanese), the Island of Formosa, the Philippines, and the Island of Guam.

Government:

The Empire of Japan is an Absolute Monarchy, ruled currently by Emperor Meiji and his Imperial Court from Tokyo. Various Governmental agencies do exist to assist in the management of the Empire, as well as a parliament, however the Emperor reserves authority to override any of these decisions at anytime, and replace them with his own.

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Emperor Meiji

While originally merely little more than a symbol under the Tokugawa Shogunate Meiji’s quick and decisive actions during the Boshin War lead to the turnover of power to him and the Imperial Court. Emperor Meiji was also quick to exploit the blue coal and rapidly build up Japan’s industrial and military strength, leading to the creation of the Empire of Japan and it’s territories. He is however known to be not afraid to use military strength to quickly put down any rebellions, and thus is also known for being a bit brutal in the treatment of non-Japanese peoples that have been conquered.

Economy:

The Empire of Japan uses a capitalist model to run their economy, with intervention reserved as right of the government. It is to be noted that the government however does control all blue coal deposits, and does also provide subsidies for other industries and the construction of railroads and other infrastructure to further grow Japan’s strong economy. Japan exports huge amounts of blue coal due to it's huge deposits in the Japanese homeland as well as those gained from conquest. Japan also has a strong industrial base, allowing to export machinery and other goods, weapons and other war machines are kept to Japan however with the exception of Small Arms to allies. They also export huge amounts of refined materials to help fuel the economy.

Military:

Japan’s blue coal deposits as well as it’s huge population has allowed it to build up quite a large military. Their Air Force uses top-of-the-line airships to perform bombing runs and the latest in aeroplanes to help combat enemy airships. The navy as well as made large strides in the development of iron ships, and uses them to further secure Japan’s naval dominance over Asia and the Pacific.

Ground forces also make heavy use of blue coal to help fuel the war machine. Mechs and steam tanks are quite large. Mechs are used to fill both artillery roles as well as acting as mobile AA when the forces need it. Tanks are often designed to help punch through other enemy tanks as well as knock down any mechs. Ground forces are equipped with standard rifles, with most divisions possessing a few machine guns for use on enemy forces as well.

History:

The beginning of the Empire of Japan(and thus by extension the end of the Tokugawa Shogunate), can be traced back to the discovery of blue coal in Japan. It was given a Japanese name by the miners who discovered it, and it quickly lead to more deposits being discovered across the Asian Continent. The Imperial Court and it’s supporters found that the territories they held in Japan held a majority of the blue coal in Japan, and allowed them to become rich and industrialize while the other shoguns that supported the old order found themselves collapsing under the growing might of the Imperial Court.

It was shortly following this period that the Boshin War began, seeking to eliminate the Shogunate and once again grant the Imperial Court and by extension the Emperor supreme authority over Japan. The war was relatively short, as the Imperial Court’s access to blue coal was much more than that of the Shogunate, allowing the Imperial Court to dominate the fields with Airships and Mechs, while the Shogunate was stuck with outdated weapons.

With the end of the Boshin War Emperor Meiji stepped on to the steps of the Imperial Palace and declared that with Japan’s access to blue coal it shall no longer be dominated by the Europeans, and that it shall build it’s own Empire. Emperor Meiji began the Meiji Restoration, seeking to fully industrialize Japan and build up its military strength to compete with the rest of Europe. This move became highly popular amongst the Japanese people, as it brought new goods to them as well as new jobs, and made transportation and communication much easier than it would have ever been without the technology.

After Japan’s position was secure, and their military strength strong, they turned their eyes toward the nation of Korea. It was not long before Japan declared war on Korea with one intent, conquering it for the Empire of Japan. While Korea had blue coal deposits it’s touch had been felt much later than Japan, and thus it was not prepared for the Japanese invasion. A few years after the war began it ended, with the entirety of the Korean Peninsula occupied and under Japanese control. The King was forced to sign a treaty under duress handing Korea to Japan, and was then promptly exiled to Beijing in the Qing Empire.

The Empire of Japan with Korea as a valuable territory of the Empire and a powerful military and a population growing increasingly more Jingoistic by the day the Empire took notice to the Philippines and Guam, realizing that they would make valuable territories and bases for the Empire of Japan. The war shortly began, and while Spain held out much longer than Korea due to their status as a European Nation, they to fell to the Japanese Forces. Spain signed a treaty in Tokyo seceding the Philippines and Guam to the Empire of Japan. The war was also historic as it marked one of the first times a asian nation not only defeated a European Nation but took some territory from them in the process as well.

As the Japanese secured the former Spanish Treaties Japan sent a treaty to Qing Empire which would have granted Japan many unfair trade rights in Qing Ports as well as open up several to Japan. However the Qing Empire refused Japan, as despite Japan’s dominance they still saw themselves as the strongest Asian Nation. The Qing Empire’s conservative values and humiliation by the European Powers at made it, despite blue coal deposits, refuse to adopt even basic industrial machines. The Qing Empire also saw Japan’s takeover of Korea as illegal and still recognized Korea as independent.

The war did not last long, as Japan easily wiped away China’s old navy, as well as pushing up into Manchuria. After a Japanese forces reached Bejing, the Qing Government contacted Japan and sued for peace. The Treaty signed made the Qing recognize Korea as a part of Japan and the earlier treaty that was signed after the war as legal, in addition the Qing had to open up ports and grant the Japanese several trade rights. Another severe blow was the Qing was forced to secede Formosa and Manchuria(renamed Manchuoko after the war) to Japan. This war and treaty proved Japan was now the dominant power of East-Asia, and that they held more prestige than the Qing.

With Japan’s dominance in East Asia secured many European Nations with colonies still in Asia fear that Japan may try to take them, and while Japan has made no moves to indicate they will do so, the rumors exist none the less.
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You both have reserved nations and have not posted in the main OOC yet, you got till March 13th Midnight central time to tell me your still in or your reservations will be dropped and open up for grabs.
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Sounds like you need the love of the revolution.

EDIT: Wait, what? I'm a CoGM? Huh. Okay then.
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