How is Isa's kick going to reach David's back leg when she's still at the end of his right leg's extension? He's ten inches taller than she is with considerably longer legs.

You're doing a great job writing her reactions to the fight (better than me by far, Lol), but your attacks are lacking in detail and that makes it difficult to properly respond without taking liberties with your character's positioning. Things like which leg is used to kick, the direction of the kick if it isn't a simple front kick, which arm punched first in her earlier combo, stuff like that. Simply saying that she delivers a low kick toward his left leg still leaves several possibilities as to how that kick is performed, and I'm forced to pick one at random in order to respond, which could put our mental pictures of the fight at odds and make things more difficult later on.

Okay point taken, I'll be more descriptive with the specific limbs that are being used to attack. I also forgot about your characters height, I'm going to put Isa's CS in the characters tab now that we have it, I'd be very grateful if you did the same. I'll also alter my counter attack to something realistic considering the height difference.

In your post, I noticed it said that his ankle was trapped in her left armpit, but that wouldn't be possible with his left leg unless she turned around to face away from him, so I just assumed it was the right armpit in my own post. Hope that doesn't screw anything up.

Also, it's really cool to be fighting someone who actually knows about grappling. When your post specifically called it pulling guard without me even mentioning the word my inner fighter did a little happy dance (since I was on break at work and couldn't actually do a happy dance... And also because I don't have an actual happy dance). Suffice it to say, I was thrilled. :D

@Schradinger ahh yes, righty-lefty... mirror facing, its very hard to visualise. My mistake!

and yeah grappling is awesome, I was happy to have a mixed martial arts character so I could use all aspects of the game, but Ive held back in the past just in case someone does'nt know exactly what a submission is!

Well I certainly don't know all of them, but I'm very familiar with the concept. :)

How did Isa get out from underneath him? You seem to go from him sitting on her stomach straight to the triangle choke with no transition from mount to guard.

How did Isa get out from underneath him? You seem to go from him sitting on her stomach straight to the triangle choke with no transition from mount to guard.

because as she rolled back as he stood up she threw her legs back, he wasnt in a full mount to begin with, he was only in a postured up mount inside her open guard.

I'll find the quote:

'As he mounted her, she used the backwards momentum to keep her legs apart and raised them in the air as she moved to her back'.

That wouldn't put him in her guard. She was in his guard, then essentially he sat up as she leaned back. Her legs would never have had a chance to get inside his to where she could pull guard, unless she used a maneuver you haven't described. He never fully stood, only sat up and moved forward to sit on her stomach with both her legs behind him, since he was already between them and didn't have to fight past them. Keeping her legs apart and in the air would just leave them spread out behind him with him still sitting on her stomach.

But he never sat on her stomach, I used the momentum to throw her legs back as a cut in counter to the move forward maneuver, for him to sit on her stomach would be a technical auto-hit, as its a physical advantage touching. I probably could have been a bit more descriptive about how she dodged the mount but i assumed you meant that he 'attempted' to sit on her stomach, I suppose I overlooked it because it would have been an auto-hit (grapple).

Yes, it was an attempt, but throwing her legs forward still wouldn't get them inside where she could pull guard. He never left enough room between her and him for her legs to fit so easily. At most, her legs would hit his back and stop there.

Basically, I'm not understanding how throwing her legs around could get them from outside his guard (and mount), to inside where she could pull guard. From my understanding of the situation, he tried to get her in guard and had at least one leg wrapped around her and the other one most of the way there, then she dropped back to try an ankle lock while he sat up to counter it. They'd essentially still be in the same position as when he pulled guard except now she's on the bottom.

well when set up the ankle lock she would have pulled her legs out for leverage, but upon reading back, I can see I didnt aritculate that as I did everything else. I apologise for assuming the image of the leglock without detailing it.





that being said, I accept the fault of not writing that in, so I'm willing to take the penalty and offer you a compromise of the dominant postion of half guard, he will have one leg over her and she will have one leg outside of his mount.
I'll change my Triangle choke to a Kimura instead?

Yes, that is how it started, but no, that is not what it transitioned to. You never wrote her leg getting inside his so she could lock down the ankle, so David was still fully between her legs when he sat up, which was specifically stated in my post (both her legs were outside his as he sat up). I'm afraid there's nothing to compromise on, that's simply how it happened. She was very clearly only halfway to the position depicted in the second picture, with the ankle trapped but both her legs on the outside of his.

What you seem to be doing is trying to pass guard without actually doing anything TO pass guard. She never made a single move to get his free leg to a position where she could get around it and you dropped into an ankle lock from a very disadvantageous position for it. This is what I was talking about when I said everything needs to be detailed. If she is going to pass guard, it must actually be written that she tries to pass guard (and how). You left out an entire section of the move she was trying to accomplish, and now you're trying to compromise on something that was never actually in the posts. I'm sorry, but I prefer to play things out as they've been written, not as we want them to be.

Well how should we proceed?

My suggestion would be to edit the only post that hasn't been responded to, based on the actions taken in the previous posts.

Essentially, you'd be responding to my last post again.

Then again, she probably could attempt a kimura from her present position, if you want to leave the edited post as is. Though it's not the optimal position from which to do so.

Yeah I will stick to the kimura, high level jiu jitsu artist can perfrom it without the use of their legs.

Alright. I'll get to work on a response.