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@Murtox I don't think the Boxers ever rose up. Ci Xi was killed and the Republic was founded soon after. It might become a plot point later on but right now it never happened
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@Murtox I don't think the Boxers ever rose up. Ci Xi was killed and the Republic was founded soon after. It might become a plot point later on but right now it never happened


The boxer rebellion was between 1899 and 1901 though, and the timeline doesn't quite stop its existence. I'd say atleast, I included it in my biography. Only the mention though, because I was rambeling on. :P Might expand on it though.
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The Boxer Rebellion did happen in this timeline and was just another nail in the Qing's coffin. Remember that Cixi died in 1905, four years after the rebellion ended.
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Can i ask a question , this is alt history so i can remove the Boxer rebellion or something like that?


The past is the past, nothing has changed.

The players can change the present and the future of China and even the world.
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I'm going to have to ask you to fix the grammar in your CS, Murtox. I'm no grammar nazi, but there is a standard to maintain. Cheers.
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Once Rare and Murtox' CSs are done and accepted, I'll open the IC. 7 is a good number. The other provinces will be left vague for the moment, though you are welcome to make neighbours for yourselves so long as you run the details passed me first.
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Just to add some regional flare to some of the armies so we aren't always pitting grey-shirt rifleman against slighly less grey-shirted rifleman, I made a list of "unique units". These units are meant to only be used by some people/locations based on stuff like culture, ideology, religion. Feel free to use/edit these units as needed if you want to have them in your armies. I'll probably update this again some later time for formatting/adding more units.

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Contrary to popular belief, the Chinese did use guns by this point XD Classic Banner Armies and such are great for early game, but remember that even China was phasing them out in favour of modern military doctrine at this point. Don't worry, your list is still useful for defining our early armies Clock, but things will modernise pretty quickly.
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Contrary to popular belief, the Chinese did use guns by this point XD Classic Banner Armies and such are great for early game, but remember that even China was phasing them out in favour of modern military doctrine at this point. Don't worry, your list is still useful for defining our early armies Clock, but things will modernise pretty quickly.


I know, its mostly for early units and inspiration for later units. I do expect that most of the fighting later on will be gun to gun or gun to cavalry. The list was more or less me shitposting some floating ideas XD

I think I will be make a list of more modern units (or at least try) at some other point.

Also, I added British troops to my army roster but in theory they're only actually part of it if a British outpost gets attacked or Hong Kong comes under siege. Can I keep them or should I pull them out and have it be a rule that people can't attack Europena-owned cities?
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Well... if anyone wants to pick fight with the largest empire in the world, I ain't gonna stop 'em.
But they will lose.
Hard.
Just make sure that it specifically states that they're not part of your army and instead regional British forces and we're ok.
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<Snipped quote by Lennon79>

I know, its mostly for early units and inspiration for later units. I do expect that most of the fighting later on will be gun to gun or gun to cavalry. The list was more or less me shitposting some floating ideas XD

I think I will be make a list of more modern units (or at least try) at some other point.

Also, I added British troops to my army roster but in theory they're only actually part of it if a British outpost gets attacked or Hong Kong comes under siege. Can I keep them or should I pull them out and have it be a rule that people can't attack Europena-owned cities?


I think people should be able to attack the European colonies if they wanted too, but if we look at our history of that succeeding anyone attempting it will get decimated. So say random province number 5 attacks the Europeans, they will retaliate and China will look bad globally, i'd imagine that random province number 5 would be eliminated by other clinques as well shortly after that. We all know that great powers had lots of influence.
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@Lennon79 As for your mention of us being able to control the provinces around us. I had figured you would throw in some ''random'' events to make life difficult.

And my province for example, has large ambitions but its location (All though on the ancient Silk Road) wouldn't be very rich, and would thus have a difficult time to push through industrial reforms. Now i'm not a meta-gamer, but others could use their neighbours to their advantage. (You should take the map with the provinces now, and add a bunch of NPC warlords, just use halfs or parts of provinces to form areas i'd say.) Maybe you can decide our relations with neighbours?
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Also, something else I've been wondering about, what time is it exactly? 1910? Since if so, some of the weapons that are being used a bit anachronistic.
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I will NPC a lot of the other warlords, but our characters represent the most powerful and influential ones. Most of the lesser warlords command towns or small cities with a battalion or so's worth of troops; they aren't much threat to others yet. But they aren't dumb either; if a powerful warlord starts throwing his weight around and trying to conquer his weaker neighbours, he may find that he had driven them to band together into a new clique. Said clique may equal or even surpass the warlord in strength, making such blatant power plays risky at best.
I'm hesitant to populate the map itself with new warlords for a few reasons, mainly to keep recruitment a possibility and to limit the sheer number of states I need to NPC, so a lot of the minor states will go unnamed unless they become significant. China is a vast country and communication is slow; a lot of what goes on away from the big cities simply isn't seen by a lot of people. For all intents and purposes, a lot of it is no-man's land. For the moment.

1910, so yeah a few bits don't 100% add up, but I'd rather compromise than go full historic accuracy.
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Also, something else I've been wondering about, what time is it exactly? 1910? Since if so, some of the weapons that are being used a bit anachronistic.


We are in 1910 yes. That's why I mentioned that it wasn't very historically correct for someone to be using weapons that were designed in 1906 or 1908 and didn't enter mass production untill later. (That's why I also adviced single shot rifles, just mainly old 1860/1880 models that all nations would be looking to get rid off.) But yes, 1910. :)
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@ClocktowerEchos Actually, we're probably in 1911. I'd say i'm 99% sure we're in 1911 at this point.
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hmm...

I might redo the army and make it mostly modern since that is what basically everyone is doing
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hmm...

I might redo the army and make it mostly modern since that is what basically everyone is doing


I'd prefer a more outdated army as well, it's much more realistic. But i'm not the GM so I can't force restrictions on people.
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To be perfectly honest, the fact everyone has phased out any and all traces traditional units irritates me for some reason >.>
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To be perfectly honest, the fact everyone has phased out any and all traces traditional units irritates me for some reason >.>


People tend to prefer their own ideas I think, I know I do.

@Lennon79 Idea, how about with all the weapons we've listed for our army we are required to post a percentage number as well? So you know how many modern, old and medieval weapons are present. Maybe we can even go as far as giving a percentage for the armies or divisions we control so you can clevery look at wheter someone accidently send and entire army that has nothing but bows and swords agaist a force with rifles.
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