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My point is that craftsmen and miners always have been considered "low-class" occupations (in any culture in the real world at least). Nothing for a noble dwarf that can track their lineage back to the founding fathers. While soldiering is well in the list of typical nobleman's work.

I find it strange that two so very different worlds should be the same. Surely there is an explanation.


In a normal D&D dwarf society, miners and craftsmen are the most respected and traditional jobs, if not the only, In the tolken world, I believe it´s the same, Dwarfs live in mountains to dig and build and craft, that´s why they´re so bulky and strong, couse of mining and diging and forging, etc. The warrior aspect is second in most dwarf societies
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In a normal D&D dwarf society, miners and craftsmen are the most respected and traditional jobs, if not the only, In the tolken world, I believe it´s the same, Dwarfs live in mountains to dig and build and craft, that´s why they´re so bulky and strong, couse of mining and diging and forging, etc. The warrior aspect is second in most dwarf societies


This may be true.
But it is also true that some fictional worlds have dwarves with proper noble classes, segregation between craftsmen and engineers, complex hierarchies that decide the value in your craft (goldsmithing > carpentry), separate hierarchy for spiritual leaders, scholars, artisans, poets and chefs.
There cannot exist a society where all professions are equal, or where a nobleman can engage in any profession, for that would make him or her equal to the lower classes which he/she would then work directly with. Noblemen always work to stay on top. The middle class strive to be as close to the upper class (nobles) as possible and at the same time distancing themselves from the lower class, which in return wants to be like the middle class or better. A working, living society is a very complicated thing.
Even if the world we play in has abandoned the noble class there will still be some form of elite. The rich, the spiritually ascended, the learned, the strong or the beautiful to name a few. Their agenda is still the same as the noblemen's.

Please, I'm not trying to argue with you, I just want an answer from the GM about what kind of society we're dealing with. I appreciate you trying to straighten it out, but I have no guarantee that your information is the same as the GM has in mind.
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A few explanations. Since its been over ten thousand years with scores of bastard and illegitimate children it is possible for a common dwarf be held with the original fathers of their race. Note along with Rogrim and his four brother there were an entourage of a couple hundred or so. So not all dwarves can have this background, but even as a lower class citizen they still maintain a status a little higher than the rest, but not by much. A common brewer could trace his ancestry back to the old times since they take their ancestral pride extremely seriously. But those with the most distinguished royal blood or lines of the most honorable warriors actually hold a life of luxury and titles. The social classes go from royalty - noble elite - middle class and finally lower class. Example my character since he is of royal blood is still considered just a noble since he eighth in line for the Iron kings throne. The hierarchy is like that of any medieval society.

The Sons of Stone while they come from all walks of life are considered equal when they are called to action, the exception being is the commander who has the purest lineage followed by captains that are chosen by vote. The voted are most often the chosen captains are the spiritually enlightened or warriors of note. Most often if a father survives the service as a Son of Stone he knows that his son will inevitably chosen for this honorable service. Which results in some training onto the son. Those that don't know of their heritage or are of lower class are chosen when they're around twenty or so to further their trade skills. But this is a disguise as a five to ten year training program. As a result of this the council of stone makes sure the members are feed and families are maintained, disguised as royal decrees for their service. Which in turn results as a slightly higher status in their social group. Every 10 years a three to five month training period is mandatory to shake of any rust over the years.
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I'll lend my bow to your will sir!

Sorry I've been itching to use that reference.
I'm interested.
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Last march of the Dwarves OOC It is up, I will get my character up shortly
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