The Nexerus said But back on topic—I think Ukrainians should be the sole people deciding the fate of Ukraine.

mdk said
Wait I thought this was about Florida.

The Nexerus said
Idlehands changed the subject to try and discredit me based off of my opinion on an unrelated topic.

Nex said But back on topic—I think Ukrainians should be the sole people deciding the fate of Ukraine.

Nex said Idlehands changed the subject to try and discredit me based off of my opinion on an unrelated topic.

The Nexerus said
"And no one's putting words in your mouth."Yes she is.But back on topic—I think Ukrainians should be the sole people deciding the fate of Ukraine.

The Nexerus said
Everyone else has had more sex than me

mdk said
ohhh ohhh

The Nexerus said
Everyone else has had more sex than me
Does anyone else get that feeling?

mdk said
Teenagers, naked, couples in threes;
Grandparents swing from the ceiling;

idlehands said
Halo was asking you a question, not putting words in your mouth. Answer him. How do you define a "Ukrainian"? Someone born there? Someone who moves there legally and gets residency? I think you agree with the movement's protest against the pro-Russian government and their desire to become more Western and democratic, which is fine, but saying to deport a certain ethnic group is bullshit.

The Nexerus said

Halo said Legal immigrants to a country, who are affected by its laws and policies, should have a say in the legislation and laws they must abide.

The Nexerus said
That should only extend to those who are willing to assimilate and identify as members of the country they are living in. Immigrants should not expect the land they're moving into to accommodate to them, it should be the other way around. If you choose to move to a new country, you have made a concious, voluntary decision to either resist the way of life in that country or adjust to it.Another important note: the border drawn between the Ukrainian SSR and Russian SSR was completely arbitrary. The problem could also be solved by shifting the borders so that the lands populated by ethnic Russians and that speak solely Russian and identify exclusively as Russian be included as part of Russia. However, I think changing borders would not only be rejected angrily by the people organizing and participating in Euromaidan, but also be even more unfair than giving Russians incentive to leave.

Nex said Once again, I do not think a certain ethnic group should be deported.

When I say 'Ukrainian' or 'Russian', I mean someone who identifies as either Ukrainian or Russian. This isn't North America, there are no hyphenated nationalities in Eastern Europe. If you're in Ukraine, identify solely as Russian and speak only Russian, you should not be voting in Ukrainian politics, particularly when you're voting for integration of the country you're a foreigner in with your home country.

The Nexerus said
That should only extend to those who are willing to assimilate and identify as members of the country they are living in. Immigrants should not expect the land they're moving into to accommodate to them, it should be the other way around. If you choose to move to a new country, you have made a concious, voluntary decision to either resist the way of life in that country or adjust to it.Another important note: the border drawn between the Ukrainian SSR and Russian SSR was completely arbitrary. The problem could also be solved by shifting the borders so that the lands populated by ethnic Russians and that speak solely Russian and identify exclusively as Russian be included as part of Russia. However, I think changing borders would not only be rejected angrily by the people organizing and participating in Euromaidan, but also be even more unfair than giving Russians incentive to leave.

Halo said
It is not the fault of those caught on the "wrong" side of this arbitrary border, and they should not have to move to another country and uproot their lives because of that.

idlehands said
Ok let's just get something straight. If you identify yourself with a certain culture based on language, religion, certain beliefs, that would be ethnicity. Whether you are in the US or in the Ukraine, it doesn't matter. You're saying to deport an ethnic group, not just recent immigrants.

Awson said

Awson said

Turtlicious said
Some people just can't let go of an argument.

Nex said There aren't many Russian immigrants to Ukraine, really. Ukraine is poor. Russia is poor too, but Ukraine is worse. That's part of the reason behind Ukrainians voting for integration with Russia; the country was better off, in some ways, during the days of the Soviet Union. Only older Ukrainians can remember those days.

I think that Russians in Ukraine should either embrace Ukrainian culture and identify as Ukrainian, or leave for Russia.