Alright, not forgotten this but one of my libraries servers seemed to have blocked this site from their net. Hence, I couldn't get online to reply last week so my reply is going to be late for another week. I need to think over this and couldn't write it out ahead of time so it could be posted easier. I can get online with my phone so I'll be clearing up details between now and then. Also, speaking of that. Shugtil is how far from the hanging icicles now, so I've got the position right. I know they've moved some and my timing/image of the scene is a bit off which I have to reread again to sort it out. I'm using the body, pit, wall and border around the clearing as my guides for placement.