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Dragons raised like that can generally survive a few short years before their glands become burned out and they are culled for scales and sent to the meat grinder.


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I've never been a fan of "only I have it" objects but that's not my call.

That said, the dft-77 is a cruel and barbaric method of producing a very high end-limited resource. I love it :)


Einheits are meant to be used in situations where currencies are inconvenient (EG, if you manage to trap yourself in hyper inflation.) and can be used freely. Likewise, dragons can be poached, although it's a bit more complicated. And DFT is as much a problem as it is an asset some would say.
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I dislike dragon scales as they are. It implies that dragons are near invincible, and having a material arguably better than mithril (with being hard to craft arguably more of an advantage than a disadvantage; Vinculi would certainly know how to work it but other nations wouldn't) this just seems far too excessive.

The idea of giant dragons in general is one that I vehemently oppose as being too far into the realm of magic and absurdity, so making derivative materials and super-strong dragon scales only firther offputs me.
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@Cyclone I agree on the point that there aren't enough weaknesses for the scales (And the supposed weakness in fact may act as a strength) and should probably be made weaker than mithril to physical force to compensate for its higher levels of heat resistance. (This in-universe would also explain why dragons aren't just curbstomping everything, since the creation of cannons would seriously threaten their continued existence)

however I don't really see you argument towards plausibility of dragons carrying any real weight, or even being hypocritical. If what you are saying is true, then the fairies should not have been allowed on similar grounds (Being realistically absurd), as well as my naga for being essentially genetically impossible.

And that's not even mentioning the obvious physics breaking technology we are already using, like the flying air dreadnoughts, or the just plain impractical like the land dreadnoughts.
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@Cyclone The 'can't be worked' is universal and won't change, it can't be melted and if you hit it, it will either not react or break.

And honestly, I don't think it's a concern. At all. Dragons have little to offer except for awesome factor and if their scales had the durability of say, bones, then a single guy with a machine gun would be a match (And arguably, it can still be considering how the eyes don't have scales on them)

Big is not a strength. It's awesome, but ultimately it's a weakness. Just more exposed surface.

So what I want is something awesome but that won't immediately get one shot by anything.
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@Serpentine88

It's not really hypocrisy on my part because if you'll recall, I was one of the ones that were really pissed off about the fairies. I almost left because of it. It's gotten to the point where provided they aren't my next door neighbor and I'm not constantly interacting, I'll just silently tolerate it. I don't like being that guy that whines about everything and shuts down every idea.

What it comes down to at the end of the day is me seeing this as a pretty strict sci-fi dieselpunk environment, but others don't necessarilly share my viewpoint. I'm willing to concede that since this isn't my RP I can't have everything the way that I want, but at the same time I don't have to like every idea. You see where I'm coming from?

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When you put it that way, I don't mind the dragons so much.

But I maintain that the scales are still way too strong. Mithil is supposed to be like titanium; you say that the dragons could easily die if their scales were like bone, but in reality it's more comparable to the armor on a tank. Probably even better than what Willy's tanks have.

So not only does this make dragons able to just roflstomp over all but the most powerful of weapons, it also gives you an armor plating that almost outdoes Willy's niched mithril in every way. Being unable to mold it doesn't matter that much seeing as you could just make lamellar quilts of scales to put over a tank and give it more armor than anything else and apparently with hardly any additional weight.

In essence I don't think dragon scales should be heat resistant, stronger than mithril, and somehow even lighter all at once.

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@Cyclone After reading back on the history, I retract my statements on hypocrisy. Your point of view (more realism, less absurdity) is consistent. I apologize for my assumption.

@Wernher My view is that the scales should probably be lighter, therefore justifying how the dragons can even fly slightly more and should be more heat resistant because it would make sense that a fire breathing creature would evolve skin resistant to its own weapon, however yeah, it should be weaker to Mithril. I'd say that a dragon's skin should be able to defend itself from small arms fire (pistols, bolt action rifles) but something like a 20mm autocannon should seriously hurting it, and things like a direct hit from a 77mm flak cannon or such should pierce its armour completely.

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I have to agree with @Serpentine88, as it stands the ability to make lamellar quilts to cover tanks and airplanes basically negates the unworkable nature of the scales and in their currently proposed state makes them simply too effective. If they were highly heat resistant, light, and effective protection up to small arms it'd make more sense. After all the dragons need to be light fly, and if the issue is the dragons being powerful themselves making them have mega strong scales is a pointless means of protection as even if shells weren't able to penetrate the skin the shock of even a 20mm autocannon would be more than enough to result in fatal internal injury.

Everything else you proposed seems fine to me at least, but the scales should be taken down a notch.
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I just like the process of extracting ember.
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No dragon scales but you can keep the ember if you make it less OP.
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No dragon scales but you can keep the ember if you make it less OP.


Alright, then no nothing.

If it's just normal fuel, no point in having such a large and potentially politically dangerous infrastructure going. Too bad.
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Alright, then no nothing.

If it's just normal fuel, no point in having such a large and potentially politically dangerous infrastructure going. Too bad.


I didn't say make it work worthless mate, it can be extremely powerful but how about just making it more volatile?
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On dragons, I really don't mind them. We alread have air dreadnoughts and strike witches that are more fantastical than a big flying creature on wings.
As for dragon scales them being light more durable than mithril can make sense since they need to be light yet well-protected.
Say, they include carbon-nanotubes or other materials which theoretically can be produced with mostly natural means yet they are both light and tough.Similarly it's obvious why you can't just melt the scales into an armor, albeit high heat resistance would require something other than CNT, at least for something better than steel. Perhaps it's a composite? Again, it could make sense.
Rather than the durability of the scale the concern is because they're too thin. Also because dragons need to get close in order to breathe fire on their foes.
As such it was possible to lure in a dragon and then finish it off with ballistae and other such methods. Dragons were a massive threat but it wouldn't work if they could stomp the rest of the world before gunpowder, even.
Thankfully ballistae actually have quite decent penetration, can punch through 30mm steel. Compare this with what we have on our ww2 tanks and it isn't bad at all.
So dragons can be awesome while the world still had a way to deal with them.
Although I don't think armoring airships with dragon scales is a good idea. Their set thickness means you're bound to have inferior amount compared to what the various air warships do have. And at massive cost, since it comes from your limited dragon population.
Their use as personal armor is more justified. Same with tanks or perhaps airplanes.

Albeit it makes me wonder, wouldn't the dragons be suspicious about the DTF? I mean I bet others tried to ue their extracts as our version of the "Greek Fire" so why don't they get the same vibes if somebody suddenly comes up with a "miraculous formula" as super propellant?
Also I feel if it comes from the dragons you won't be able to extract that much on the overall scale. You'd need tens of thousands of tons per year to make a big difference. So DFT would be a very rare strategic resource for you in comparison which I suppose you'd only use in the direst situations in the most over-engineered designs.
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I didn't say make it work worthless mate, it can be extremely powerful but how about just making it more volatile?
Yeah, the non-volatile part didn't make sense to me, either.
If it has twice the energy content then by layman's terms it produces twice as much boom when burned.
Or does it mean it has a massive starting temperature? Can kinda make sense but then it's questionable how the dragons could breathe fire. I mean producing hundreds of degrees in temperature is anything but healthy within your bod.
But well, same could be said about biological flamethrowers so whatever.

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On dragons, I really don't mind them. We alread have air dreadnoughts and strike witches that are more fantastical than a big flying creature on wings.
As for dragon scales them being light more durable than mithril can make sense since they need to be light yet well-protected.
Say, they include carbon-nanotubes or other materials which theoretically can be produced with mostly natural means yet they are both light and tough.Similarly it's obvious why you can't just melt the scales into an armor, albeit high heat resistance would require something other than CNT, at least for something better than steel. Perhaps it's a composite? Again, it could make sense.
Rather than the durability of the scale the concern is because they're too thin. Also because dragons need to get close in order to breathe fire on their foes.
As such it was possible to lure in a dragon and then finish it off with ballistae and other such methods. Dragons were a massive threat but it wouldn't work if they could stomp the rest of the world before gunpowder, even.
Thankfully ballistae actually have quite decent penetration, can punch through 30mm steel. Compare this with what we have on our ww2 tanks and it isn't bad at all.
So dragons can be awesome while the world still had a way to deal with them.
Although I don't think armoring airships with dragon scales is a good idea. Their set thickness means you're bound to have inferior amount compared to what the various air warships do have. And at massive cost, since it comes from your limited dragon population.
Their use as personal armor is more justified. Same with tanks or perhaps airplanes.

Albeit it makes me wonder, wouldn't the dragons be suspicious about the DTF? I mean I bet others tried to ue their extracts as our version of the "Greek Fire" so why don't they get the same vibes if somebody suddenly comes up with a "miraculous formula" as super propellant?
Also I feel if it comes from the dragons you won't be able to extract that much on the overall scale. You'd need tens of thousands of tons per year to make a big difference. So DFT would be a very rare strategic resource for you in comparison which I suppose you'd only use in the direst situations in the most over-engineered designs.
<Snipped quote by Voltus_Ventus>Yeah, the non-volatile part didn't make sense to me, either.
If it has twice the energy content then by layman's terms it produces twice as much boom when burned.
Or does it mean it has a massive starting temperature? Can kinda make sense but then it's questionable how the dragons could breathe fire. I mean producing hundreds of degrees in temperature is anything but healthy within your bod.
But well, same could be said about biological flamethrowers so whatever.


I wonder what happen if you combine the 15m jet engine thingy with this new fuel...
>Evilly laughs evilly
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I wonder what happen if you combine the 15m jet engine thingy with this new fuel...
>Evilly laughs evilly
With that I would build a freakin dragon-shaped airship and mount the jet engine FORWARD.


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<Snipped quote by ClocktowerEchos>With that I would build a freakin dragon-shaped airship and mount the jet engine FORWARD.


Better yet, just make a flying ball with jet engines on every angle. A ball of jet propulsion. A propulsion ball. Don't even need doors or gryos or an escape mechanism, just the Propulsion Ball™
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Rounding out this ns has been a blast. The military section has been fun to balance.
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Fingers crossed..



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Characters and relations will be added here.

Private POV; a new character that was born sometime and somewhere. Will likely resemble Rambo because... Rambo.
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The United Provinces of Aurelia, a fusion of Australia/America of OTL, population est: 54 million, government type: Republic with a three tier political system; National, Provincial, Territory. A fusion of Colonies and Independant states that unified after a political revolution (not!Italia).

I want to check if this is allowed since I've been told that the continent I'm on is our version of Africa...
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It's actually quite perfect considering your location :)

And nice sheet combo :)
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