Ok, I have a question. What rendition of events are we running in here? I'm just curious since I've been pulling a lot of my information from the ASOIAF book rendition, but it was said earlier that Theon made the journey to Torrhen's square with one ship, which is the show version of events. In the books, Theon sends Dagmer Cleftjaw with all but one of his ships to Torrhen's Square while he sails one to Winterfell. My information that it would not take so long to make the journey, but obviously it's different for different renditions. it would be worth noting that in this version of events, Theon's Ironborn destroys the Wild Hares, a group of Northern lancers, at Torrhen's Square, and also slays Benfred Tallhart.

@agentmanatee you mentioned earlier that you didn't like the Bear Island slaughter. Do you mind telling me what about it you didn't like? I am not particularly happy with the writing in that post, and criticism is more than welcome in order to help improve my writing. If it's the way it was done that you don't like, then I have done my job. It was not meant to be glorious or honourable, it was meant to be swift and brutal. The Mormonts were caught off-guard and severely outnumbered; there wouldn't have been a whole lot they could have done differently. Still, comments are more than welcome and I am happy to change my post to suit what people want.

One a side note, I found out last night that there are two Valyrian steel swords in the Iron Islands. Nightfall is in the possession of House Harlaw, while Red Rain is in the possession of House Drumm. Who would have thought, eh? But it raised the question, what about the other Valyrian Steel weapons in Westeros that have been lost? Is there any chance of them having been found in the last 200 years? I mean, swords like Brightroar, Truth, Vigilance, Dark Sister and Lamentation have been lost for a long time, but it's not entirely impossible that they could have been found in the last 200 years.

@Vhagar

Well... really it just makes the Northmen look strait up incompetent.
I understand the wish to make your men be badasses but there are better ways to show that than just having you and your men carve through guards who don't appear to be able to fight back in any way. I know you will win, and I understand you have the drop on them, but it seems odd that you don't lose even one man, and that you manage to keep 30 roudy iron islanders, experienced Raiders or not, to keep fighting quiet enough for 0 alarms to be sounded. Like... there's no fight AR ALL, it's just you and your men murdering incompetent guards. Like, this

"He opened one man's throat with his own knife, and drove his axe into the skull of two more"

Like... we're ALL three either asleep or half wits? Murder makes noise, and three dudes all of whom are trained night guards can't all be asleep or stupid. I just feel like there would be a fight... it would make the post WAY cooler as well...

That's just my two cents

@Vhagar

Well... really it just makes the Northmen look strait up incompetent.
I understand the wish to make your men be badasses but there are better ways to show that than just having you and your men carve through guards who don't appear to be able to fight back in any way. I know you will win, and I understand you have the drop on them, but it seems odd that you don't lose even one man, and that you manage to keep 30 roudy iron islanders, experienced Raiders or not, to keep fighting quiet enough for 0 alarms to be sounded. Like... there's no fight AR ALL, it's just you and your men murdering incompetent guards. Like, this

"He opened one man's throat with his own knife, and drove his axe into the skull of two more"

Like... we're ALL three either asleep or half wits? Murder makes noise, and three dudes all of whom are trained night guards can't all be asleep or stupid. I just feel like there would be a fight... it would make the post WAY cooler as well...

That's just my two cents

Ah, this is where I feel like my writing leads to misinterpretations. Like, in the example given above, in my mind these three guards are far, far apart. These men are scattered around the battlements of a motte. But that quite clearly doesn't come across in my writing, and that's entirely my fault.

In terms of the guards... I mean, in the GoT world, household guards have never exactly been competent. It's not like these are the soldiers, but just household guards. The one example that springs to mind is Eddard Stark's guards and Jory Cassel. I mean, they were there, but the second they ended up against the city watch they were absolutely massacred. Jory went up against a superior fighter (admittedly it was Jaime Lannister... nowhere near a fair match up) and the fight didn't last 10 seconds. I felt like Ironborn warriors would make fairly short work of household guards. But, you have raised the point that I totally overlooked the Mormont soldier garrison on the Island. And that most definitely needs to be addressed.

@Vhagar While I understand your point. (I really do) and it's obvious you would have won, but Bear Island would expect and be ready for an attack at any time of day or night in such this case. Their 'Household' guard aren't just their guards they are literally their raiding party enforcers. When you hit Bear Island as a Iron Islander you -know- it's going to be tough. Somehow managing to sneak your ship into shore, and then with all those weapons not make a single sound to tip off a defender struck me (or is rather new to the RP) as seriously off.

I highly doubt also that the entire palisade is only guarded by those 'meager' men as you suggested as again the Mormonts are ready for an attack, i'm -sure- nighttime raids have happened before and i'm -sure- that the Mormonts would be ready. Again, my opinion but you seem to underestimate Northern fighters a great deal. As a very large lover of unorthodox and asymmetrical warfare I have to say that of the two scenes that seem to be conflicted between you two that your scenario makes a whole lot less sense than Mr. Stark. I also don't blame you for that as not any people can imagine being shot with hundreds of arrows every 50 yards or such down a river with obstacles and probable fire. I think the GM was lenient on you because if a real Ironborn navy tried to sail into hostile lands like that with the forest surrounding them KNOWING how skilled the Northern Rangers are then they deserve to get obliterated because that's what they would have been. By the time you reached the lake you would maybe MAYBE have enough men to put up a fight, but Northern ships already proven to be stronger than your own would kill even more and arrows once again would take down another score. Who do you plan on fighting with? Your corpses?

Regardless the GM has spoken I just urge you to drop it before it's revoked and you lose more.

youtube.com/watch?v=LWVPp0uhtu0

A great video of what you'd be up against only you can't even fight back. I'll also point out that the Haradrim were some of the best Desert fighters and Asymmetrical and Guerrilla fighters in the books. PLus the Mumakill who was also considered one of the strongest weapons the evil side had besides the Nazgul. Now also imagine that for the entire journey to your location.

All I know is that trying to get through the Bloody Gate is like beating your dick against a hard wooden door, even if you manage to come away early you're going to have some nasty splinters. There only needs to be five hundred on that front, so I believe a number of people guarding the ports during war times could be afforded. It would be easier to try and starve them out, if they haven't stockpiled some for winter already. That being said, I think as a stickler for some tradition, Ellion will have to bend the knee to whomever crosses the Bloody Gate on a dragon (and given that their honor stat is positive enough).

Now, I ask...how are the Ironborns taking the colder weather of the North?
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The Vale doesn't have defense in depth, it has defense in that you need to fucking walk over a rocky mountain way to fucking get there. Meaning, you could throw every single Tyrell man to take the Eyrie, defended by barely a tenth of their numbers, and they would not win. Pretty remarkable, actually.

@Vhagar Drop it please, just move on.

So who wants to post next?

Dammit, life is happening, and the Vale really should. But if Ursa says it is fine, then I will...it's just, a little too soon for my liking for such a huge post to be made on my end once more. Though I know that a lot hinges on people, actions and shit that is going to Highgarden, and I don't really want that to become overtly the whole pivot- I'll post when I can, and you have slightly less in the way of tits.

Kingfisher, from what was implied earlier in your first post, am I safe to assume that Jehrilla is bisexual? I may have misread that properly....and no, I am not suggesting Alerie and Jehrilla fuck neither, it's just, out of actual randomness. That would be wrong on several levels, and as wacky the idea of Garland even giving her a tumble was when I first mooted it, I don't want to paint the whole family as a bunch of sex-crazed beautiful people, that's just...pornography being a motherfucking bunch of players. Dammit, they're more than that, I swear!

Besides, Alerie only does if she's sufficiently drunk enough at a fair, and is straight. Not into freakishly chubby Yunkish masters. :D

@Major Ursa You up to post or should @kingkonrad?

Dude, it's cool, post as you like.

That's fair- I will post tomorrow evening then, hopefully. Too much hype, not enough posting.

@Kingkonrad Ja, The wise master is bisexual. Sorry for not responding to your pm, I'm on a phone that doesn't support pirate pad, but I shall have a look at that tonight.

I'm working away on something right now, might be a tiny collab with Blue, maybe or maybe not. TLDR, response to Dorne from Garland, the sighting of dragons in King's Landing as well as a little quelling of unrest (simply because FFS, I need a release of people getting fucking murdered), the siblings having some pork, and yep, that's about it...oh yeah, and some stuff with Jehrilla.

No probs Kingfisher, add what you can later :)

Next round of posts we can collab on a battle scene Konrad. If you would like.

I would be down for this- though it would be a really, really small scale one, mind. I like to think of Torrentpass and The Prince's Pass, the two main borders as the biggest places where it can occur, between perhaps a few dozen men just generally fighting. They are normally pretty safe, but it's like North and South Korea at times, and all it takes is one or the other vassal house to pick a fight, just for a castle or two, something that Lord Tyrell or the Princess of Dorne can't really easily micromanage- just when Garland is sending a letter back to say that he wants to appease them a bit.

Wait, or do you mean some other battle scene? I'm confused :P

Nope. I meant the little Skirmishing. Tyrell men come over looking for easy pickings and find the Dornish Border Patrol staring at them. =p

Yeah, go on then. Send me a titanpad, I can work it out= though know that it's not Tyrell men, it's most likely Tarly or Torrentpeak forces, no Roses in this force :), in the same way I can see it not being the spear of Dorne on the enemy's sigils, just basically some fighting for not a lot really, maybe a castle or a high snowy pass. It won't be massive, but it'll give some blood. I decided not to implement that stuff on quelling unrest just yet in KL- I've got so much already to do, I may either edit it in later, because it's valid, or do it in my next post.

@Apoalo Sh*t, didn't even take those guys into consideration. Now I'll be fighting to make Tormin as anti-Faramir as possible, just to distinguish him. .__.

Anywho, making some edits to my last post to smooth some things over. Might be awhile...

The next post I'm writing went from being large to being fucking biblical. It's going to turn heads, have heads removed, and most importantly, it's going to change a lot. It's got two collabs and from the peaks of the Dornish Marches to the towers of Highgarden, the Red Keep's dragon pit, it's what I think should do me for a little while.