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Hidden 9 yrs ago 9 yrs ago Post by MelonHead
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If being competitive is a matter of adding more numbers to your profile and/or going Super Saiyan then I wouldn't say they're overpowered. They may be out of scale for a given situation but terms like OP imply there's something inherently wrong with the character which isn't the case. She just needs to find someone who can keep up with her.


This RP allows for a range of characters, between T1 and T8 by my reckoning of the old system. So far, the majority of characters have sat between T3-T6 which is fairly average and standard. Corban and Blythe are both solid T7-8's and therefore quite objectively -overpowered- as in significantly stronger than the average character submission. Do stronger characters exist in the fragments of people's minds and other settings, sure, but within the boundaries of this setting they are literally some of the strongest characters you can actually enter.

Therefore, they are going to be hard to find fights with, for varying reasons but mostly because they're overpowered in this setting, due to the average character submission.

The ironic thing is that the two strongest characters probably couldn't even fight eachother, for the reasons I mentioned earlier, it would require Divinity to no-sell, because Corban lacks the tankiness required to actually weather one of Blythe's attacks, where-as Blythe can both tank and regenerate his.

Point being, Blythe is cool and all, but considering we're barely getting anywhere as is entering this setting with the strongest possible character probably isn't going to get you a fight anytime soon.

In regards to other things, I noticed Xiomara has a blanket immunity to the weather, which is technically not allowed in Arena but also hilarious. What does being immune to the weather entail? Immunity to being struck by lightning?
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Hey now.....I don't mind to throw down with Blythe as Alex.

Edit: yeah...t1-8 I have no idea what that is. At first I was thinking writing styles but I'm assuming it's power teirs.

I have never heard of having 8 different power tiers. We run with 4. There low, mid, high, and bullshit tier(reality altering douchbaggery).

Blythe is high tier yeah, but if someone was smart and didn't try to over power her it would be fine.
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There aren't eight, there are ten. This setting bans demi-gods and gods, essentially, so T9-10 are out. Like I said, it was the old system, but I still use it because it's a little less ambiguous. There's also unpowered, low powered, mid powered, high powered, god tier, with space in between. Point being, T7-T8 is high powered, capable of destroying cities and sponging damage of similar proportion, basically army destroyers.

To be honest, I've read Alex's sheet, still have no fucking idea what he can actually do. He literally has a power-suit with no mention of its mechanical strength. You ShinRa guys are awfully vague in regards to your power-sets.

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Speaking of Alex.

@Enki
I may have accepted Jen, but I never actually got around to reviewing Alex.
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Straight up, two things that Blythe does not have ready-made answers two in combat:
1) long range engagements, as she is entirely one dimensional in that aspect, possessing only shockwaves and bloody webs with which to reach opponents beyond her fingertips
2) actual super-speed, as she does not possess it

Past that, as I mentioned previously, beyond Blythe's baseline (which I will gladly halve or even take a zero off of if it makes everyone feel better), her strength (and durability) rises to match her opponent; while Blythe can increase her strength beyond Vorsours' equalizing power, she would need regular, constantly-applied force and exercise to do so, same as a regular person.

Like Enki said, if you don't want to deal with a constantly escalating Blythe, don't try to beat her with pure strength.
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I might challenge her with Might outside of this, just to let you know. Since they have incredibly similar powersets. I'd love to see how that fight would play out, it might be the only true stalemate I've ever had. The one with @Seed is totally up in the air whether or not it was actually going to end in a draw or not. And the ones where the match never actually ended don't count.

I'll need some time to deliberate on her character sheet though.
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You are absolutely ready to go.


I asked if Alex was ready to go and you responded with this. So......that's weird!

The entire point of a sheet is to give a idea what a character can do not spell out every single little thing. That leads to metagaming. If two guys just meet they shouldn't know every inch of their repertoire unless they are familer with each other.

They know what they can sense, power gathering, glowi g effects, projectiles coming at them, or pointy sticks of metal that have a bladed edge sent their way.

The "powersuit" is basically the size of a gundam. Now if you think I'd actually drop a gundam on someone who doesn't have also some large scale shit then you are questioning my integrity.
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I find the assertion of 'city busting' funny. On my home forum, Corban was listed as mild powers, which was gauged by 'blockbusting'. As in a maximum powered attack should do no more than level/ destroy a city block. He specifically could not, and I don't ever remember destroying a city or tanking a nuke. To let off a city sized attack would be impossible for Corban without it being some story element, or a stupidly high tier fight where all semblance of restraint is a foreign concept.

Enki: Gundams don't really have a general size as I recall. It depends on the timeline (UC, GC?). Some are seventy meters tall while others are like 20.
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I meant him being an 'enforcer' of sorts. I'm not sure if the 'dimensional' part of his title was related only to whom he kept out, or if it was also some facet of his skillset.

So. What is Dunnaman about?
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@Divinity It sounds like your old forum might have taken city and street level a little too literally. The thing with Corban is that while he lacks one outright devastating city level skill set he has about seven vastly different street level skill sets that he can pull out at will.
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Straight up, two things that Blythe does not have ready-made answers two in combat:
1) long range engagements, as she is entirely one dimensional in that aspect, possessing only shockwaves and bloody webs with which to reach opponents beyond her fingertips
2) actual super-speed, as she does not possess it


Blythe's is capable of enhancing her muscles, granting them superhuman power and durability. Naturally this allows for super-strength and super-speed,

Naturally this allows for super-strength and super-speed

super-speed

Okay
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I think the definition of super speed needs to be established.
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I think the definition of super speed needs to be established.


You mean, actually clarifying a power rather than just writing a subjective term? But sir, that's how metagaming starts!

The fact is, I will never agree that vague sheets are better than detailed (and often statistical) ones, because the argument that your opponent cannot know your character's abilities and therefore if you write them all out your opponent will metagame is the most ridiculously hypocritical fallacy I can possibly comprehend. So you're saying you don't trust your opponent not to exploit knowledge of your character's limitations, but we should trust you not to exploit the lack of anything resembling limiters in your powerset? Sir, sir that makes no sense, sir.
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Well good sir, I could circle logic it back the other way just as easily. I'll just leave it as we disagree.

You can have your opinion and I will have mine.

The main point of a sheet is to get a broad idea of what they capable of. Asking to sit there and describe out how each and every elemental arc slash works is ridiculous when you can just put, he is able to produce arcing slashes of elements. It gets right to the point, there is an arced slash.

Everything else is description from the actual post.
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I mean, we can do it your way and then we could just compare sheets and mathematically figure out who would win each match and not even have to rp it out! Absolutely ridiculous.
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I mean, we can do it your way and then we could just compare sheets and mathematically figure out who would win each match and not even have to rp it out! Absolutely ridiculous.


You must not participate in many tournaments, at least not at lower power levels, because you seem to be fundamentally mistaking the concept of limiting factors. An Arena fight involving meta-humans, and even ordinary people, comes down to a vast number of differing factors. How in the world would you compare two vastly different power sets and then 'mathematically' figure out who would win? This isn't BS Deadliest Warrior computer software, there's so many variables at play I'm not even sure how you could make this point with a straight face. That's not what I'm talking about at all.

All numbers do is limit you. They say 'well, I can create a fucking fireball out of my fingers, but it only burns so hot, it tires me out, and I can only throw it this far.' If someone brought a completely ordinary pistol into an Arena fight and then fired rockets with it you'd complain, because you know what a pistol can do, why is it so much to ask that people describe what their powers can do before a fight begins, so that they're not BS'ing rockets when the situation demands it?

The fact is, people who refuse to properly articulate the full range of their powers, people who refuse to use any limiting factors numerical or otherwise, are simply afraid to place any hard-limits on themselves. They don't want to be up against the wall when they make a stupid mistake, they want full flexibility to pull out whatever they want when they want it. That's up to them, but that's not what I'm interested in and I think you're short-selling yourself for doing it. Fight with real limitations and you start thinking tactically, you don't have magic as a crutch all the time and you get better as a result at all levels.
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To me, superhuman speed is anything beyond normal human capacity. I.e, Blythe's faster than the world's fastest olympic sprinter, quick enough to run down a car on the highway, and that's about it. That's why I also included this:

While not capable of attaining the inhuman velocities of metahuman super-speeders, 'Overrun' is still capable of moving faster than the eye can see in extremely short bursts -- leaps or single steps at most.

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It's okay, we were sent here on a mission from God to show you a better way.
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To me, superhuman speed is anything beyond normal human capacity. I.e, Blythe's faster than the world's fastest olympic sprinter, quick enough to run down a car on the highway, and that's about it. That's why I also included this:

While not capable of attaining the inhuman velocities of metahuman super-speeders, 'Overrun' is still capable of moving faster than the eye can see in extremely short bursts -- leaps or single steps at most.


So not super-speed, but she can still run up to 100mph and when required activate super-dash to move at what, couple thousand mph? mmkay. Considering you can use that in addition to something like, I don't know, a punch, your character can basically punch with the force a nuke.

I don't care by the by, but people telling me this character isn't overpowered in this setting is just untrue.
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Blythe can punch with the force of a nuke? Thanks for giving her new abilities!

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