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I'm kinda curious about the general opinion of maths and physics as subjects here. I'm the only one at my school to be doing English alongside either Maths or Physics at this level, and distaste of the other side of academics is the one thing the pupils and teachers of each discipline both share. This is a roleplaying forum, so you'd imagine more creative types - those who prefer the humanities or artistic subjects - would typically be drawn here, but those sorts of generalisations and assumptions are as often wrong as right.
So, Spamians (is that the correct term?), what are your opinions/feelings on studying mathematics, and the physics derived from it? Love it, hate it, vaguely interested but not enough to study them, only in the sense of pop-science?
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I use semi-complicated math at work fairly often (calculating things like dosages and contact time for chlorine and what have you), and I have always done well at math in school, but man, I found it such a dry and boring subject. I was always much more predisposed towards history, English, and science.
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I'm going to let myself in here and say I misread the title, and am quite disappointed now
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I'm sure it's a fascinating subject (the only constant, unwavering language in the universe) but I am very, very bad at it... which means I don't like it.
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I'm decent at math(Passed both Algebra and Geometry with B's). But I prefer Physics. And ironically, I despise English(Although I love to write and read. College reading level since 5th grade yo)
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I'm taking my math and all my sciences. This year we did gravitational pull and circular motion and kinematics and all that stuff. I didn't mind it, but I much prefer quantum theory.
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I've still got three school years of math/meth to go, but at this stage, I'm surprised to find that it's one of my best subjects marks-wise, and it's still quite interesting. I'm not sure what'll happen to that thought after this year, when I'll presumably change teachers from the wonderful guy I have now, but I get along quite well with meth at the moment.

Dervish said I use semi-complicated math at work fairly often (calculating things like dosages and contact time for chlorine and what have you), and I have always done well at math in school, but man, I found it such a dry and boring subject. I was always much more predisposed towards history, English, and science.


What do you do for a living? It sounds interesting.
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What do you do for a living? It sounds interesting.


I am a water treatment/ distribution and wastewater treatment/ collection operator. I turn raw water into stuff people can drink/ bathe in and turn sewage back into clean enough water that can be safely discharged into the environment as to not murder the ecosystem. It's pretty fantastic.
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I loved math while in high school. Then I took a couple of years off from school to enter the work-force.

I started to rapidly lose my math skills.

Now I'm in college, and math is getting easier again, but I'll never like it as much as I did before.

My problem solving, and critical thinking skills increased while my math skills deteriorated, but it's probably growing more mature, and having new experiences that made that happen.

I still don't rule out the possibility that distancing myself from math helped though. Considering math is abstract, and intangible, and I didn't start thinking about abstract concepts again until I started learning computer programming.
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I don't particularly love or hate math, but I will probably be working with the complex maths for the rest of my life.
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I decided to reply to pretty much everyone, as this is a topic I'm pretty interested in. It certainly causes enough contention in my timetable - I was the only one in the entire year with exam clashes 'cause of my unusual split between English and maths/science subjects.













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Halo said What about physics and "pop-science", as it's called, how'd you feel about that? That doesn't really require you to be a natural mathematician, just to take an interest. An example would be the way the Higgs Boson's discovery was reported in the news - it wasn't reams of technical data or any such thing.


That's not something I define as mathematics or actual physics. It's a layman's explanation of the facts. That, of course, I adore and indulge in plenty.
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That's not something I define as mathematics or actual physics. It's a layman's explanation of the facts. That, of course, I adore and indulge in plenty.


Can I ask how you define maths and actual physics? Or rather, where the line is drawn? The way I see it, 2+2=4 is as fundamental and real as any complex concept a mathematician could come up with. The layman's explanation might be simplified, but it's no less true (assuming good reporting, that is.) I only learned the mathematics of why applying force to open a door at the hinge has less effect than applying the force at the outer edge, but even without knowing the maths, just knowing where to most effectively apply force inherently contains core knowledge and comprehension of important physics concepts (that was a clusterfuck of a sentence, jesus.)
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I appreciate math from a distance. I don't hate it, it's just not my field. Some of my best friends are math wizzes though, so I say good for them, we need mathematicians.

(btw Halo, your set, I just watched that with some of my classmates. Great movie.)
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Can I ask how you define maths and actual physics? Or rather, where the line is drawn? The way I see it, 2+2=4 is as fundamental and real as any complex concept a mathematician could come up with. The layman's explanation might be simplified, but it's no less true (assuming good reporting, that is.) I only learned the mathematics of why applying force to open a door at the hinge has less effect than applying the force at the outer edge, but even without knowing the maths, just knowing where to most effectively apply force inherently contains core knowledge and comprehension of important physics concepts (that was a clusterfuck of a sentence, jesus.)


Someone can explain to me why a neutron star functions the way it does, but I cannot detect one using calculations and advanced technology. That's the difference to me.
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I'm sure it's a fascinating subject (the only constant, unwavering language in the universe) but I am very, very bad at it... which means I don't like it.


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I adore math. I dislike doing math problems. Back when I was at college, I was studying to become an aerospace engineer, and fluid dynamics seemed amazing. I was very tempted to do something insane and triple major (okay, maybe double minor) in physics and math, just because I enjoyed them so much. All my electives were some interesting physics course. I was going to take aeroacoustics later on, because why wouldn't I want to?

But then I didn't do work and failed out of college, so clearly I don't like them as much as I thought I did. Or maybe I finally woke up and college taught me that, converse to what I had thought my whole life, learning is bad and horrible and painful.

Small rant aside, I'd always tried to be as balanced a person as I could. I like(d) learning for its own sake, mostly. Poetry (I love writing free-form poetry), English, Art, Drama (especially improv), Music (especially piano and singing) - they're all fascinating. I almost picked up my calculus book the other day with full intent to do every odd-numbered problem, and then move on to differential equations, too (and perhaps get around to finishing my books on abstract algebra and analysis) since I'm not doing anything with my life, but then my aforementioned rant gets in the way and I put the books away in shame.
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Most people at my school (which, admittedly, heavily favours sciences in terms of number of students taking each subject) feel the opposite - that humanities like History and English are unbearably dull. Do you think either your teachers or school had a large impact on you feeling that way? And, considering you enjoy your job, which involves lots of maths, do you think it's just the way it was taught rather than maths in itself that you thought was boring?


I think the thing for me is math only has one solid, unimaginative answer, and the fact that you can be handed a sheet of say 20 questions of 4 different formulas just makes it repetitive and an exercise in memorizing said formulas rather than, I wouldn't say thinking because you have to think of the correct formula, how to apply the information, and so on, but it's a lot more static and less colourful, I suppose is the word. I'm pretty sure what you gravitate towards depends on what hemisphere of your brain your use, where math and what not's dominated by the right hemisphere where as language is the left if I remember correctly, it's been a few years.

For me, history and English is a firework of imagination and variance compared to math. It's not about crunching numbers and coming to a singular answer, it's about deductive reasoning and putting together responses based on how you're able to interpret information, where you often have more than one correct answer provided you can justify it. I got the highest average in English in my entire school in grade 12, simply because I've always been a voracious reader and was reading books 6 times the length and complexity as what they were assigning in the class was basically stuff I was reading back in grade 4 for fun. By grade 7, I was already reading things like Tom Clancy and David L. Robbins for entertainment. Not too bad for a guy who used to HATE reading when he was younger. History, likewise, is compelling because it often reads like a work of fiction, provided you are on a subject you find interesting. I always found it interesting to find out where we came from and figure out where we're going. I mean, sure, learning about how farmers used to sow their fields and how they made their crappy houses back in the early days is pretty dry for anyone, but stuff like learning about great conflicts and world changing events is really, really cool stuff.

As for if my teachers and school had an impact on my preferences, not especially. Subjects are largely the same no matter where you go, and if you aren't predisposed to like something (or like it, for that matter before hand) not much is going to change that. A good teacher will make anything compelling and easy to understand and even with subjects you don't like, at least it's something that's easier to learn. A bad teacher will do the opposite; they'll make even subjects you love horrible battles of attrition.

As for my job, the routine math is pretty rudimentary because it never really changes unless their an emergency (most recent case in point, my boss who isn't in the field put the wrong chlorine solution mixture into the injection tank, as he read the one for the other water plant, and we had to figure out how much was going into the reservoir, and calculate a new mixture ratio to bring it back to its normal levels from the very, very low ones it hit. This involved calculating the time the raw water pump runs for and how frequently, how much water was in the reservoir, how much more water was needed to fill the reservoir, find out how much we needed to bump up the injection pumps by converting ML/Min into L/H, and how much extra sodium-hypochlorite would have to be put into the reservoir to boost the chlorine residual from something like 0.16 milligrams per liter to 0.70 milligrams per liter, which is around where we try to keep it. It's pretty tricky shit if you don't do it every day, let me tell you). In any case, it's not so much enjoying the math as the job on the whole; the math is just a part of it, and figuring it out is essential for keeping things running properly and in compliance. It's actually more rewarding than in school because you are immediately seeing tangible results for what you're doing; it's your calculations that change the whole process and if you did your job right, you fix problems. If you do things wrong, you are scrambling to figure out how to reverse your mistake. But when you get it right, it feels damn good.

But really, the math is really minor when it comes to enjoying my job. It's one of the very, VERY few places where the management, the council, and the workers are all on the same page, everyone gets along, and we have a good enough budget to afford to make the changes and do the things we need to without falling behind, and it gives us room to experiment. Since I'm in a small department with lots of work for just two people, I'm doing a huge variety of jobs and getting a lot of experience, and I have a great working relationship with my boss and supervisor. I work out in the country in a rural municipality, so it's scenic and not too busy people wise, and on some roads, I can see the Rocky Mountains. I get paid really well, so I can live a comfortable life without worrying about making ends meet. On top of that, I work Monday-Friday on day shifts and get all government holidays off and 100% benefit coverage. Really, I won the lottery getting hired on where I am. This is a job I hope to stay at for the entirety of my career, and I've worked quite a few jobs, a lot of them TERRIBLE.

In short, I don't like math, but I know how important it is, and although it's a big part of my job, it's hardly overwhelming.
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Psychohistory fascinates me though. Which is a kind of math. Can we talk about that?
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Someone can explain to me why a neutron star functions the way it does, but I cannot detect one using calculations and advanced technology. That's the difference to me.


Very similar boat.

I love the hell out of learning about space and all that stuff you read in science reports and news articles and what have you, but there's no way in hell I'd be able to even begin to understand the complexity of what went into making these amazing discoveries. I just love learning about that stuff... just don't ask me to do the leg work.
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