@Lauder Did you just say Nazis? Did you really just say Nazis?

*Desire to scream increasing*

@bluetommy2

Oh shit, I went into WW2 I am sorry and will edit that immediately. I have lost all my honour

@RisenDead
What do you mean?

@Lauder
That's WW2.....

@Lauder
Time Traveling Nazis when?

@LordZell

No, I was talking about WW1 then a WW2 documentary came on and I was eager to watch it.

@LordZell

US troops actually did pretty badly in the beginning of the European Front, it may have been North Africa though it is hard to recall, they had severely lost their first battle as they were not hardened by war. Not to mention, it was actually the Russians that saved Europe, them doing quite the number on German troops.

I understand you were however during WW1 the germans were never in North Africa. As for the US. They brought in fresh troops,tanks and more to help the entente win. The Russians by the end of the war were dealing with a revolution by the bolsheviks and had made a separate peace with the germans.

@LordZell

Holy shit what the hell is my mind doing to me. I gave WW2 facts, I thought this was a WW2 thread for a moment. God damn it. Just... I'm going to drop this subject and never speak of history again.

@Lauder We all have those moments, I'm in love with history, but I understand that I get a lot wrong, there's a lot to learn, a lot we still don't know, it's a deep field, and that's why I love it so much :D

@LordZell

US troops actually did pretty badly in the beginning of the European Front, it may have been North Africa though it is hard to recall, they had severely lost their first battle as they were not hardened by war. Not to mention, it was actually the Russians that saved Europe, them doing quite the number on German troops.

@RisenDead
Please don't leave.

So much wrong with this.

1st us battle in africa was fail for USA. British commanders and obsolete weapons along side ill prepared soldiers made for fail. Once generals like Patton showed up, things went different as American generals played to America strengths.

2nd, Russia nearly lost. Hitler was on moscows doorstep. Hitler made the mistake of not building long range bombers which allowed Russia to move its factories from the existing bombers range. One thing to think of though, America supplied Russia with shit tons of trucks allowing Russia to not only focus on massing tanks but gave Russia the ability to move men and supplies at a far greater and more effective rate.

3, not sure if people realize this but stalin was more or less demanding a second front as Germany was still an effective force in Europe. It took American bombers pounding germany's industry to hell to slow them down. No refineries for oil, no factories to build more tanks.

4, when USA/britain entered France, they fought heavy ss units and struggled at times. Imagine all those tanks and infantry focused on the eastern front than the west.

Summary, Russia may or may not have won on its own but in no way were they doing quite the number, Russia lost some 9 mil to Germany alone while Germany lost like 5mil to three major nations. Sure there were battles like Kursk that Germany failed tank to tank. Germany woulda had more tanks but it had to use resources elsewhere and all the while b17's were fisting Hitler's industry (albeit at great cost.) Russia was primarily fighting one front, Germany was fighting 3. Russian, france and Italian fronts.

So yeah, it was the allies that saved Europe, not USA, not Russia, not Britain, it was the allies, all played equally important roles and all fought together to whoop Hitler's ass.

People read your history!

Anyways, I'd like India if possible.

@Monkeypants This is a WW1 RP, not a ww2 RP.

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@Monkeypants This is a WW1 RP, not a ww2 RP.

I know. Name of RP was a give away.

@Monkeypants Yeah that makes sense. Sorry.

@Monkeypants Yeah that makes sense. Sorry.

Np bro, i didn't mean to sound like a butthole.

@Monkeypants You didn't do anything, don't worry yourself.

@Monkeypants

Firstly, I did acknowledge that US troops were not very effective in North Africa and such. Secondly, next time you tell people to read up on history you should possibly always assume that they do not have time to read up on every little detail and documents. I personally, do not know too much on history, I relay the facts that I have been taught to me.

I will also try to feel less offended with the whole "so many things wrong with this statment" as I do not know if you were doing it in an insulting manor or not. Next time maybe go with "Hey, just a few pointers." Sorry if I seem to be in a bad mood as personal things were happening.

@Lauderfair enough, sorry if I sounded mean. just please please please, make sure the facts you say actually are facts. Not just what you hear.

@Monkeypants

My only source is my college books :P

@Monkeypants

My only source is my college books :P

Really now. I'm sorely disappointed In your academic source.

@Monkeypants

You should be

Well... a lot happened over night.

Pity we lost Austria-Hungary.

When is the IC launching?