@Vilageidiotx@Keyguyperson

Libertarians and Anarchism actually have a lot in common. Libs have actually been called 'anarachists with money'. When it comes to the state they both share a lot of views about wanting the government to 'butt out' or not be involved at all if they can help it.

Problem with Ancap is that its headed by Stefan Molyneux who has a very specific brand of Anarcho-capatalism and displays cult like behavior.

This is true. I actually had a debate last night over whether or not Anarcho-capitalism was just feudalism with megacorps, and I made the point that whenever I see or hear an ancap describing their ideal society it sounds like normal anarchism but with coinage.

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This is true. I actually had a debate last night over whether or not Anarcho-capitalism was just feudalism with megacorps, and I made the point that whenever I see or hear an ancap describing their ideal society it sounds like normal anarchism but with cringe.

Fixed that for you.

The difference is what their end goal is. Most anarchists or left libertarians are socialist or Marxists who doubt the ability of a authoritarian vanguard government to represent the proletariat. An-caps subscribe to the extreme form of economic liberalism in which capitalism is presented as divine. The two won't get along. Can't blame the left libertarians that an caps don't understand their own ideology.

I dont know If Ive ever met a left libertarian, most of the ones that I see are fairly right wing, which falls in line with stefan molynuex's conservative crap.

Also I got 9.85 on left. Suck it, @ACPM. I'm the most left of all the leftists here so far.

Compensating for something? ;)

Regarding the ancap/anarchist issue, I've never actually encountered Ancaps outside of these kind of forums and YouTube. Actual Anarchists, however, do seem to be on the front line of most disputes. The Anarchist Federation in the UK tends to be doing some good work with housing co-operatives and the Anarchist movement in France and Greece is pretty badass. While not Anarchist as such, the PKK and the Kurds in Rojava follow a very libertarian socialist economic structure.

I wouldn't really claim that Anarcho-capitalism is Anarchism as such, to be completely honest. To be an Anarchist, you must reject all elements of rulers. This might be fine in an era of capitalism where people worked in mills but now we work in factories. Industrial economics are complicated and therefore require some form of authority to co-ordinate the complex movements. In order to be a capitalist, that person must necessarily be the owner of the means of production. However, this is a ruler, by definition. Anarchists reject centralised command, yet capitalist businesses are centralised necessarily.

I dont know If Ive ever met a left libertarian, most of the ones that I see are fairly right wing, which falls in line with stefan molynuex's conservative crap.

Because the left is an overly complicated stew of political ideologies that most people don't keep straight. Most Left Libertarians probably call themselves Communists or Anarchists. Most Communists I've met IRL were basically just left libertarians or Anarchists, since Americans shy away from the entire single-party dictatorship thing. The majority of the far left want to establish communism, in that they want to create a stateless and classless society. Some will use Marx as an example, but I know many people use Star Trek as their explanation of what Communism is. So in a sense, the entire far left is communist. But pop culture uses "Communism" to specifically to describe societies that try to build communism through a powerful single party state. A left libertarian or an anarchist would be a person who wants to build communism, but believes that a powerful vanguard party a la the Soviet model will inevitably become State Capitalism abusing the proletariat. So a left libertarian is someone who wants to start the process of implementing Communism without making deals, no "You'll be a slave to the state 100 years and then that will make communism happen somehow." And there are hundreds of different ideas about how that can be done.

And yeh, An-Caps aren't anarchists. There is a far out type of liberal economist who gets paid by billionaires to obfuscate economics realities. An-Caps are the people who grab on to those theories and believe them.