@deathkiller

A few points:

The Great Depression in America was in part created by or aggravated by an excess in materials production that crashed the commodity market and smashed industries after manufacturers soon found that what they were producing had a market price far below their manufacturing price. In most cases - in particular agriculture - the immediate answer these firms figured would save them from having to liquidate all assets and to not foreclose on land when they failed to pay on their debts was to produce even more; crashing prices even more. An industrial panic ensued as companies failed to meet growth and their stocks dropped, starting a selling frenzy with no stock buyers and money started to burn.

Banks that had spent into the stock market to make higher returns never got their money back and that burned, and the rest was dried up in panic-driven withdrawals of savings.

To suggest that the "economy is growing again" in that you have expanded industry in the "Application Mountains" it's like saying you made the leg that got shot off with the shotgun better by blowing the rest of it up with a grenade. In essence, that was Hoover's plan to recover from the depression: encourage more production output to crash commodity prices lower and in potential effect crash more firms.

It's what happened to help make the Dustbowl, and why I picked up the Dustbowl; because as a player I was honestly terrified a player like you would fail to realize the conditions of the crash and patch over the problem with the thing that made the problem worse in the first place.

As well on the economic note: with the world economy crashing as fucking hard as it is gold would have gone with it. It'd have value yes: but nothing worth its weight as it was and no buyers for something as unsubstantial as gold.

In short: you're tackling a massive deflationary problem with deflationary tactics and expecting to sell massively deflated gold with no buying market, all the while having a society flooded with product no one needs, wants, or can buy.

Socially, I'd like to comment American populism was hugely defined by socialist, communist, or even fascist policies. Have you hear of Huey Long? He was a massively powerful and popular Lousianan democratic senator that tippified the popularity of left-wing government.



All hail The Kingfish!

So trying to stomp out the ideological strain that was so popular at the time will just make the region very unstable. And if the regional policy is that of Hooverism, it's that of the Republican Party. And the Republican Party was very, very small army. They wouldn't be fielding the army which you described; they'd have gotten rid of most of that.

EDIT - To also swing back to the economic point: how do you actually intend to get anything to market? Everything you produce for an international market has no viable ports to pass through, or those not already controlled by another nation. Those goods would probably be taxed, charged, and tariff'd. So when shippers get a hold of that product and get it to Europe, there prices would be inflated to not only cover standard shipping fees, but the trading expenses added by tarrifs and trade taxes the likes of New York, The Pacific States, or the commie-south would impose on these goods to help pay bills. And then they have to go through local European tariffs and at the end of the day they're priced at a massive disadvantage to local products and BMW and Ferarri gets to smile smugly on their local monopoly of central Europe because Ford and GM is absolutely castrated and none of us have the political power to do anything.

You're at a massive disadvantage mate, like the rest of us.

@Dinh AaronMk The real Army I have is very tiny, only 20,000 out of the millions of people that are under the country as they cant afford any more, as is the scientific research group, with so much underfunding, for any actual breakthroughs would only be the work of truly dedicated scientist. The 'army' is mostly Militia members and mercenary groups, and mercenaries are only hired if the nation is attacked. Yes, there heavily idealistic, and would try to curb communist and fascist paths, but only through propaganda, regional influence, and shear willingness to hold on to there government. There the New Union of America, and there government is divided into 13 'Commonwealths' Each state being a common wealth. Each state elects a governor that goes to form a council that can create and and pass laws, and elects the president, while the president has limited power by only vetoing, or accepting laws, and breaking stalemate arguments in the council, thus being a full republic....not republican.

You made a good point about the gold though, so I might have to change the currency to a form of credit...or sliver or platinum standard instead of gold.....

@Dinh AaronMk being a full republic....not republican.

You don't know anything about American political parties, do you?

You made a good point about the gold though, so I might have to change the currency to a form of credit...or sliver or platinum standard instead of gold.....

Most likely just as doomed tbh.

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I think Aaron is taking issue with the fact you're essentially trying to recreate the United States in an RP that is about the aftermath of its breakup. If you made a nation that encompassed two or three states, it wouldn't be so much of a problem but you're trying to claim a large number of states AND say they're economically powerful AND militarily powerful. Everyone else within the former USA is trying to tell a good story while it seems (judging by your application) as if you're trying to recreate the US to steamroll over everyone else, as well as leaving potential new players out. If you want my advice, it would be a good idea to keep the "remake the old USA" idea but centre it on a much smaller area (say, 2-4 states as opposed to 13).

I could see a possible small border conflict or diplomatic solution occurring due to the situation of the world.

Seeing as you and @Chairman Stein are the fellow Asian players, I'd like to ask about the current situation in the Phillipines and Korea. Are they American/Chinese? Are they independent? Are they a republic? I feel like setting up a good canon will help with constructing my posts.

Oh and I'm okay with you claiming all the old Japanese colonies (Shenyang, Dailian, Taiwan) but IC, Japan is going to claim Taiwan, Korea and all the other former colonies are "Occupied Territory" and probably will try to retake them in the future.

@Chapatrap Ok, so, maybe just loose a few sates...I can do that

@Chapatrap
After the ROC retook Taiwan, it caused a rift with Korea declaring independence, and is a decent trading partner with the regime in China, to help keep it stable with the internal problems it helped cause, Korea is more a leftist-central state like the 1st ROC [1911-1926], (which historically, the 1st ROC were also allies with Japan, till Chiang Kai-shek in 1927 created his more fascist regime over China), Most likely MOST colonizes in Asia like Vietnam is Independence, but that I have no true idea how Indochina is awkwardly set up.

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I think Aaron is taking issue with the fact you're essentially trying to recreate the United States in an RP that is about the aftermath of its breakup. If you made a nation that encompassed two or three states, it wouldn't be so much of a problem but you're trying to claim a large number of states AND say they're economically powerful AND militarily powerful. Everyone else within the former USA is trying to tell a good story while it seems (judging by your application) as if you're trying to recreate the US to steamroll over everyone else, as well as leaving potential new players out. If you want my advice, it would be a good idea to keep the "remake the old USA" idea but centre it on a much smaller area (say, 2-4 states as opposed to 13).

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Seeing as you and @Chairman Stein are the fellow Asian players, I'd like to ask about the current situation in the Phillipines and Korea. Are they American/Chinese? Are they independent? Are they a republic? I feel like setting up a good canon will help with constructing my posts.

Oh and I'm okay with you claiming all the old Japanese colonies (Shenyang, Dailian, Taiwan) but IC, Japan is going to claim Taiwan, Korea and all the other former colonies are "Occupied Territory" and probably will try to retake them in the future.

IIRC the Pacific states guy mentioned having control of American colonial possessions in the Pacific. So the Phillipines would be his?

Name: The New Union of America

Flag:


Government Ideology:
Capitalist/Democratic Free Nation based on the old ideals of America, except a full republic than a democratic republic.

President
Jacob Hightop

Capital
Indianapolis.

States Claimed
Indiana
Missouri
Michigan
Kentucky
Iowa
Minnesota
Illinois
Ohio
Wincoinson

Rough Population
20 million (Im not sure...)

Why did theses states unify?

After the disunification of the United states, it was clear the old way where, indeed, broken, but that didn't mean it couldn't be fixed, however. After Hoover was sent to prison for his crimes against the USA, the people realized disunification was not the way. In order for the united states to survive possible invasions from communistic and or fascist countries, they had to be united under a common flag. So, found supporters of the old US, the New Union of America has emerged. There goal is to reunify the USA back to its formor glory. A new wave of nationalism formed in this commonwealth of states, and with the rise of communist confederate states, many have adopted anti communist ideas, despite the situation regarding the depression. Many senators and USA politicians had migrated to the NUA in hopes of being free from communist suppression in Washington DC, and to be around a familiar goverment. The NUA managed to free the declaration of independence and constitution, now seen in Indianapolis museums. Agriculture is a highly important to the NUA, being one of the few industries to actually bear fruit on any level. A new currency had been made in the NUA, a sort of Fiat currency called Shines, and not part of the gold standard. Though, it solved the deflation problem, a fiat currency can rapidly inflate...so the NUA keeps strict control on there government backed money. More money, though, had got there people actually to spend money, and use it within the government, though stuff cost comparably more than what said item used to be. A car costing 600 Dollars, would cost 1800 shines, so roughly 1/3 the value of a regular dollar from before the depression.

Segregation: Segregation is still going, but some states are becoming more liberal, one even going as far as elimating it completely, and some even allowing the minorities to vote and hold office, claiming the newly formed NUA needs all the supporters they can get, but with great detest from the more racist and KKK active states, and try to fight these new regulations, as they see the black man unfit for office in this new government, claiming the black man had created the depression in the first place.

The NUA president: Jacob High-top, a respected business man from Michigan, who helped create the new currency depicted by Franklin D. Roosevelt and slowly bring the NUA out of the deflation with his new Shines currency. His progress in this matter had earned him popular vote as he ran for governor of Indiana against the KKK member, Ed Jackson. With minority votes at hand for his promise to help spread equality to citizens of any kind, and paired with his ideas on fixing the economy. Many critize him as he never worked on a farm, and was a factory worker at Ford Industries until the crash....some saying he never worked a day in his life. But no one disagreed, however, that his plans for a true America where coming into fruitarian. So many voted for him as his plans for his new "True Republic" System filled the needs and wants of the people, with everyone represented in the new government, and the economy rising under the shines currency, and the disunification of the USA, all brought him as the diplomatic helm of a new nation. His traditionalist ways help advocate patriotism in such hard times.

Military

The NUAs Military is quite a force to be reckoned with. With military weapons from Fort Knox, Kentucky, the NUA has been able to create BAR, M1grands, and even tanks and jeeps that would go in and out of the compound before the depression. Soldiers usually wear standard American uniforms and carry a common M1911 on there side. But alas, these soldiers are few in number, with only 20,000 active soldiers, as the military is still being trained up. The Bulk of the military relies on militia or mercenary groups that now inhabit the Disunited States.



Militia: Citizen soldiers with relatively small amounts of training and carry civilian grade firearms, such as hunting rifles or shotguns. What the soldiers miss in training and weapons, makes up for in large numbers.



Mercenaries: Mercenaries are not trusted by the NUA, But they are hired to participate in certain wars. The NUA only pays half before a battle, once the battle is completed, the other half of payment is restored. Mercenaries vary in numbers and equipment.

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Technology

The NUA has been researching on new ways to farm and cultivate crops, Better infrastructure, and currently studying on Albert Einstein's equations and math and relativity. Rising education with public schools are helping to contribute to science, though the fact many are in agriculture and farming, science break through are rare, but not impossible.



@The Spectre A redo of my nation
@TheEvanCat A redo, tell me if anythings wrong

Y'all are gonna have to trust me on this, but I AM working on a post.

Meanwhile, I await confirmation on the claim @ONL has on the Philippines.

Okay, I am going to read the sheet @deathkiller.

If @ONL doesn't respond in a couple of days, then I am going to say that the Philippines is their own nation.

@The Spectre Is it ok?
@Dinh AaronMk I redid my character sheet

@deathkiller

Have you done any research on the picked area, or are you just imposing your own thing over an existing canvas with a trowel and a lot of ill-mixed plaster?

@Dinh AaronMk I actually done research. Indiana used to be in the KKKs pocket, many of the states I chosen was rasist, and The only reason the NUA is accepting votes from black people, is because they need every vote they could. The Auto industry was a big thing in the states I picked, so someone would try to save there business, and Fiat currency is a real thing. Its what the US uses now, as were not on the gold standard.

@deathkiller

Yes, but the auto-industry only really works if you can get in the supplies. Not going to say its impossible, but it'd be difficult to save something when you're still blocked off from usable commercial ports by fascists and communists alike. And by this point, consumer purchasing ability would lie largely in used car sales. And not to mention the Big Three was really disliked in most cases by their own workers and struggled against unions.

@Dinh AaronMk Never said the car industry was taking off. I made my president from one of the Auto companies, Studabaker.

@Chapatrap@The Spectre The Philippines were actually their own country before, but seeing as their Nation Sheet is gone now, I'd like for them to be their own nation under PSA supervision.

But frankly, and this regards everybody here, my hopes for this RP has declined rapidly the last days; not because I'm not interesting, which I am still very much, but more because of the sporadic appearances and disappearances of players and nations alike, and the lack of an agreed upon Point of Divergence AND non-existant rules of how to create an American nation. Not to mention that our GM is gone like the wind.

If things doesn't improve, I'll rejoin the RP once a new version of this RP has been made, preferably with some more rules.

@Chapatrap@The Spectre The Philippines were actually their own country before, but seeing as their Nation Sheet is gone now, I'd like for them to be their own nation under PSA supervision.

But frankly, and this regards everybody here, my hopes for this RP has declined rapidly the last days; not because I'm not interesting, which I am still very much, but more because of the sporadic appearances and disappearances of players and nations alike, and the lack of an agreed upon Point of Divergence AND non-existant rules of how to create an American nation. Not to mention that our GM is gone like the wind.

If things doesn't improve, I'll rejoin the RP once a new version of this RP has been made, preferably with some more rules.

To be fair, I think the GM is gone for like work or something so it's less of an abandonment and more of a "real-life priorities" thing. He hasn't even posted in a while (meaning he's actually not active instead of blowing us off) and says he'll be back on Sunday on his profile.

Once real priorities are taken care of we can figure out exact canon points. Patience is key.

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To be fair, I think the GM is gone for like work or something so it's less of an abandonment and more of a "real-life priorities" thing. He hasn't even posted in a while (meaning he's actually not active instead of blowing us off) and says he'll be back on Sunday on his profile.

Once real priorities are taken care of we can figure out exact canon points. Patience is key.

Speaking of which, and knowing you: any foreseeable circumstances in the future where West Point will have to borrow you in the future? Or are extended field-days a thing of the passed now you're not technically a cadet?