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Might be interesting in creating a nation of "Angels" who use artificial structures to channel magic, armies are small in number but well equipt. Would that be acceptable?
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Might be interesting in creating a nation of "Angels" who use artificial structures to channel magic, armies are small in number but well equipt. Would that be acceptable?


Honestly I need more details to make a final judgement but I'm reminded of the Eldar.
Personally I'd say try to do something where your army's weakness isn't quite as much size based since a 1000 v 1000 fight is a lot more interesting and epic than something like a 100 v 1000.
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Honestly I need more details to make a final judgement but I'm reminded of the Eldar.
Personally I'd say try to do something where your army's weakness isn't quite as much size based since a 1000 v 1000 fight is a lot more interesting and epic than something like a 100 v 1000.


100 vs 1000 can be epic, but its different, I was thinking of perhaps having Human soldiers as well, The angels being elites. I was actually thinking of the angels as being something like eldar in terms of the whole soulstone thing. Angels are the souls of some forgotten race, the bodies are something like golems.

If These guys dont really fit the roleplay, I have another different idea involving a nation that got subverted by Devils, but the devils fucked things up and are trying to fix things. armies of psychotic berserkers that the Devils dont really know what to do with so they send them to other countries.
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If These guys dont really fit the roleplay, I have another different idea involving a nation that got subverted by Devils, but the devils fucked things up and are trying to fix things. armies of psychotic berserkers that the Devils dont really know what to do with so they send them to other countries.


I kinda like this idea, its sorta like Khorne Berserkers with a twist.
My only question is that (for both of these ideas) how are you going to make them seem more real in terms of their goals?
What is it that the Angels want/gain from fighting everyone else and why can't the Devils just undo their magics on the berserkers?
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I kinda like this idea, its sorta like Khorne Berserkers with a twist.
My only question is that (for both of these ideas) how are you going to make them seem more real in terms of their goals?
What is it that the Angels want/gain from fighting everyone else and why can't the Devils just undo their magics on the berserkers?


For the angels: The angels believe that other races need guidance, many of them are willing to use force to achieve this goal. The Devils Just want souls to feed the psychic realm and seek to gain influence in as much of the world as possible. The devils prefer infiltration and subterfuge when possible. The Devils cant undo what they did with magic, they fucked something up and a large portion of a countries population is psychotic (mass harvesting of the portion of the souls that the devils like best leaves a broken mind behind) or was rendered braindead from complete soul extraction, the braindead tend to die pretty quickly. They cant "Undo" the magic just like we cant "undo" chernobyl, They can work on cleaning up the mess but those people are still psychotic.

The human members of the nation would be composed of:
Gibbering Lunatics who have had parts of the soul stripped away and the rest of the soul unstable
Soulless husks being kept alive to serve as vessels for devils at a later time
Mildly Psychotic Individuals who were effected by the disaster, but didnt have the souls taken out, just fractured a little bit.
Zealots who are humans who managed to keep their soul from infernal snacking with a strong faith in a deity, they still have mental fracturing though and have been manipulated into serving the infernal masters.
The Cured: an experiment by devils to fix some of the damage they had done to the cattle/humans souls stiched back together but are always a little off, often serve to the needs of the psychotic masses.
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For the angels: The angels believe that other races need guidance, many of them are willing to use force to achieve this goal. The Devils Just want souls to feed the psychic realm and seek to gain influence in as much of the world as possible. The devils prefer infiltration and subterfuge when possible. The Devils cant undo what they did with magic, they fucked something up and a large portion of a countries population is psychotic (mass harvesting of the portion of the souls that the devils like best leaves a broken mind behind) or was rendered braindead from complete soul extraction, the braindead tend to die pretty quickly. They cant "Undo" the magic just like we cant "undo" chernobyl, They can work on cleaning up the mess but those people are still psychotic.

The human members of the nation would be composed of:
Gibbering Lunatics who have had parts of the soul stripped away and the rest of the soul unstable
Soulless husks being kept alive to serve as vessels for devils at a later time
Mildly Psychotic Individuals who were effected by the disaster, but didnt have the souls taken out, just fractured a little bit.
Zealots who are humans who managed to keep their soul from infernal snacking with a strong faith in a deity, they still have mental fracturing though and have been manipulated into serving the infernal masters.
The Cured: an experiment by devils to fix some of the damage they had done to the cattle/humans souls stiched back together but are always a little off, often serve to the needs of the psychotic masses.


So you intend to have a faction that is both Angel and Demon? No offence but that sounds like a good old fashioned war just to yourself. Maybe something more in line with sentient first, magical later, type race?
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So you intend to have a faction that is both Angel and Demon? No offence but that sounds like a good old fashioned war just to yourself. Maybe something more in line with sentient first, magical later, type race?


No these are two seperate ideas, Completely unrelated. Im choosing between one or the other. And devils, not demons. though demons will be involved too, but they are considered vermin.
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No these are two seperate ideas, Completely unrelated. Im choosing between one or the other. And devils, not demons. though demons will be involved too, but they are considered vermin.


The only true difference being if you believe in Christian inspired hell or not... Devils and Angels would hardly be considered such a thing to other races. I suppose what I am suggesting is that you make it more in line with the War Hammer concept. The idea of Golems is far more likely to scare a Skaven than an Angel.
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The only true difference being if you believe in Christian inspired hell or not... Devils and Angels would hardly be considered such a thing to other races. I suppose what I am suggesting is that you make it more in line with the War Hammer concept. The idea of Golems is far more likely to scare a Skaven than an Angel.


I might call them something other than angels, but angels is just the main inspiration. they arent necessarily from the religions of any of the other races. perhaps they appear in a few species myths but these myths probably are more myth than fact.

As for the Devils, thats just a name im using for them and what some other races might call them (though feel free to call them whatever is appropriate for your race) The other races probably couldnt tell the difference between the "Devils" and the "Demons" anyway as they both can cause unusual behavior.
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I might call them something other than angels, but angels is just the main inspiration. they arent necessarily from the religions of any of the other races. perhaps they appear in a few species myths but these myths probably are more myth than fact.

As for the Devils, thats just a name im using for them and what some other races might call them (though feel free to call them whatever is appropriate for your race) The other races probably couldnt tell the difference between the "Devils" and the "Demons" anyway as they both can cause unusual behavior.


Alright, I'm curious to see what you come up with!

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I was originally going to include Harpies in mine... Damn glad I didn't!
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Okay, time to look over everyone's stuff, gimme a bit this will take a while.

@Lauder You are good although the lack of ariel units isn't what I'd consider a "weakness" persay. Don't quote me on that, I might do some mucking around with that idea later. Still though, good sheet, Grimgor would be proud ya grot. You've honestly got the format spot on.

@TemplarKnight07 I like your overall sheet, feels like Skaven without being direct carbon copies. I will say that I'd prefer if you use something close to the formats in the NS Guide though for the NS overall and the units. As for magic, I'd like it you at least gave us a bit more detail on what kind of notMagic poisons the rats use; modify the spell format or even just give a list with short descriptions for each. Again, not having flying units might not be a "weakness" but that's something I'll look into.

@RisenDead Good sheet overall, very pretty. Not going to harp on your army formatting too much since it reminds me of the actual Warhammer Army Books/Codexes but two thing I do want to point out is a lack a Tier 1 units and the Gatling Gun. The lack of T1 units isn't honestly something too concerned with given that you do kinda explain it the rest of your sheet, just something I wanted to point out. The gatling gun is of a far greater concern simply because it doesn't make much technological sense.

Gatling guns require case ammunition as well as fairly complex loading mechanisms. If you could produce everything you need for a gatling gun, you could easily field a civil war-era army. It goes without saying that something that can fire as fast as a gatling gun in Warhammer with few drawbacks could easily overpower most armies. I do want to know about something else however, in your bit about Riflemen, it saws Archers in your description, I'll take that as a typo but something else, are they Riflemen or are the Musketeers/Handgunners since those are two distinctly different things.

Again, minor thing but it would be nice if you had a short list of pros and cons of your army just for everyone to see.

@Supreme Commander First thing I'd like to mention is Yore's magic; you got a whole bunch of spells from a whole bunch of different lores. While personally I'd prefer if people stuck to one or two Lores, if everyone else finds nothing else with it then I'll also accept it and quit being a bitch about it. Other than that its just minor formatting things and the strengths and weakness list that you really need to work on.

Overall, I'm impressed with what everyone's done so far! Keep it up!
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Done and done. Removed the Gatling gun, replaced it with Pickle Guns (Close Infantry support) and I forgot Steamtanks, so they're in there as well.

Also added pros and cons. Pros mostly being their tech, cons mostly being racial disadvantages, like they're human, and given to being sick, scared, hungry, etc. Which are pretty massive issues on a long campaign.

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On the map I am going to push our borders together to absorb that space between us. You good with that?
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Ah, so do I need to write that

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@RisenDead we need to have some sort of relationship, your nation and mine.
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Dat gud choice, you get t' live longa

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