@CrazyShadowy
Anger happened.

@NekoMizu
Anger fucking happened, I fixed it all though. Just chilling in a friends stream and playing RS3.

@CrazyShadowy
Wait what's going on lel you fixed the stream thing on youtube?

@NekoMizu
Fixed my computer and it's been just fine, just chilling in a friends twitch stream. A bit late to stream given I'll only be up another two hours at most.

@shylarah

CURSE IT refreshed the page and lost my half-post. Anyhow. @Shoryu Magami, I've seen the cosmos/existence done only once, but it was fun. Noice~

I know that feeling.

On the subject I mentioned about my cosmos, I'm probably going in a very different direction to that person you've mentioned, but I won't comment on it further -- it's both complicated and a huge spoiler. All I'll say is it relates directly to this discussion we're having about importance between characters and the setting -- my setting is in direct opposition to some of my characters.

The delay was because I was looking for Character Calculus terms that I didn't manage to find, but basically I think that it is possible to have a story without (main) characters as such. Telling the story of a lake over time, or the movement of glaciers in the ice age, or the slow decline of a dying rural town, these would all work, because the setting itself is a character.

Firstly, I'll give this quote as the basis for my attitude towards this.

It isn't going to be the world that'll be memorable; it's the characters. It isn't going to be the world that people love and cry over or despise and want to see the death of; it's the characters.

With this in mind, I'm sure someone could write a story like that, but I don't believe I would ever find it interesting. This is why the characters are more important to me -- they create the reason the story is even worth investing my time into.

As a side note, in the instance of that very obscure and unconventional example you gave, I'd actually consider that lake or that glacier to be the main character. By its very dictionary definition, an 'antagonist' doesn't actually need to be a person -- it's simply the antagonistic force that gets in the way of the main character or 'protagonist'. The protagonist is, by definition, the focus point of the story. Why is this relevant? In the example you gave, the settings are actually characters because they're the protagonists, meaning that I don't think it's even relevant to the debate of characters vs. settings because in those examples they are both; however, I once again emphasize that I'd never find a story like this interesting or engaging personally.

For that matter, while it might be possible to have a story in a black void, the void will have an effect on the characters, and they may not have started there -- thus the settings of their pasts are also important. If A is part of B, and also important on its own, I'd say A is more important that B. ^.^

I never said a character's pasts aren't important, nor the world they come from, but simply that they're not as important as the character themselves. I have a lot of characters who - in representation of myself and my own principles - have overcome incredibly terrible pasts or very adverse backgrounds that would've broken most people or at the very least moulded them into more horrible people. These characters have refused to let their origins corrupt them, rising up as independent souls who created who they are today with their own will. This summarizes my attitude towards settings pretty much perfectly -- where we come from isn't unimportant since it gives us information, but compared to the importance of who we are and who we become the past and our origins are completely meaningless, even worthless. In my eyes, the setting is only important as something for the characters - the true focus of the story - to overcome.

@Shoryu Magami hm, I suppose. But the sort of place you exist in, and grew up in, have huge effects on things like the way the character sees and interacts with the world. A character from our world probably would be baffled if confronted with, say, an actual elf, or a person that can light things on fire by looking at them. I guess it might not be more important, but I think the setting s always a character of sorts.

hm, I suppose. But the sort of place you exist in, and grew up in, have huge effects on things like the way the character sees and interacts with the world. A character from our world probably would be baffled if confronted with, say, an actual elf, or a person that can light things on fire by looking at them. I guess it might not be more important, but I think the setting s always a character of sorts.

They're a significant impact on the characters, but they're never the focus point of the story. Also, I view this as something for the characters to overcome or adapt to rather than be moulded by. A weak-minded character would probably be racist towards an elf if they came from our world (if they didn't just think it was 'cool'), whereas a character of stronger mind would be more inclined not to judge them differently due to them being an elf, rendering the difference in races/setting meaningless to such a character. I'm the type of person who wouldn't really bat an eye if magic turned out to exist in our world, because my mind is always open to such a possibility.

Edit: I'll get back to the other topic when I've got time.

My thing has a lot of interest, I was only going to have about 6 players including me but so many more are interested. I have no idea what to do other than work on the actual thing and get the CS format up and finish up the information and toss the citidel and capital in there. Ohmigewdness! @Shadow007 Would agree with me when I say that Ohmigewdness! Part of this.

@CrazyShadowy
How goes? Also, have you spoken to @Shadow007 much lately? Wondering how they're doing.

Edit: Lol, right as I bring her up. Anyway, good to hear. Let me know if I can help with CS templates or something.

@Shoryu Magami
Last spoke to her Saturday night, she's been busy with work and today is her first day off in awhile, five more days of work after this day off. That and she's still getting settled from moving last I heard.

I'll probably take you up on that, I have a base idea for the formatting but I'm unsure on the final CS I want people to use. Lot's of interest and I might have more players than I orignally wanted, I want six including me given this is my first time running a roleplay. Hopefully I can still manage that.

@CrazyShadowy
While I don't plan to outright get involved, I'm happy to help out if things become unmanageable, offering advice or just assisting with the CS, et cetera.

@Shoryu Magami
Alright, I can probably toss the design I have in mind over PM and see what you think about it. I have that to do and get the rest of the information and post it into the roleplay section as stated above. This'll be great!

@Shoryu Magami

Hey, sorry I haven't talked in a while... Been busy moving and stuff. Just got my room settled today.

@Shadow007
No problem. As long as you're alright and all that.

@Shoryu Magami

Yeah, pretty damn tired today though, been working a lot then moving... It's been hard. Tomorrow is my only rest day then I work four days straight... :\

@Shadow007
Hmmm, right. Take care of yourself.

@Shoryu Magami

It's annoying but... Gotta do what you gotta do I suppose...

@Shadow007
That's usually how it is in this world, yeah... I've got a lot of shit I need to do too if I want to get where I want to reach.

@Shoryu Magami

INDEED. Also... @CrazyShadowy How's you?

@Shadow007
I'm on discord if you'd like, I can fill you in there.