LoneSilverWolf said
LOL Pepperm1nts; it's not so much that they are smuggling drugs that bothers me, it's that usually those cartels that do it don't give af how many innocent people die when their stupid asses get into a damn shootout with a rival gang and/or the police. So yeah, forgive me if I have no problem sitting up in a chopper raining down fiery hell upon them :P

But before you rain down death you need fifty hours of helicopter maintenance per flight hour.

For me, I do agree that drug policies in the United Starts are far, far, FAAAAR too much. But, right now, they are what they are, it's the law, and until it's changed LEGALLY, it needs to be followed. That might irk some people I feel that way (might irk a lot more that I'd legalize and regulate drugs instead of keeping every damn thing illegal), but that's how I feel. I've taken some classes in college that really showed me just how damn political are drug laws were. Take Marijuana, for instance. The guy who first pushed those laws into place (forgot his dumbass name), he lied about the shit--made crap up, like by smoking marijuana you'd suddenly turn into an axe murderer and kill your entire family. He used fearmongering and lies to get the drug made illegal, and now because there's such a black mark on the drug, our government still lists it as having no medicinal value whatsoever They do this in the face of every single damn piece of scientific evidence that states otherwise.

But just because our drug laws are screwy, it doesn't excuse the drug dealers for their actions. They kill, they kidnap, they are indiscriminate about who they sell to, they lace their shit making it more likely to kill you then not. THEN other countries smuggle the shit across borders, bringing even more problems into the target country (often times the US) although we're far from the only country who has drugs smuggled in. That's like saying the murderer is in the right, because you disagree with societies laws about killing people O.o

**EDIT**

I'll put an addendum here that not ALL dealers do that shit, alot of that is the drug cartels and the gangs moreso then the little chump drug dealers here and there. But the point being, a LOT of drug dealers and most especially the cartels ARE like this. And even worse.

Pepperm1nts said
A lot of it wouldn't be happening if we weren't making their business so goddamn profitable through illogical anti-drug policies.

*nods* True, but then if we made drugs legal, the dealers really wouldn't all of a sudden become legal businessmen. No, they would find another means of finance. Maybe kidnapping for ransom, weapons dealing, extortion, casinos, underage and/or forced prostitution etc...

My opinion? Declare the smuggling and distribution of drugs like Cocaine, crack, meth, etc to be an act of terrorism, thus allowing the police force to be better armed to be able to deal with the threat as well as being able to shot to kill when it actually comes down to it without having to be worried about being prosecuted for Excessive force...

Deamonbane said
*nods* True, but then if we made drugs legal, the dealers really wouldn't all of a sudden become legal businessmen. No, they would find another means of finance. Maybe kidnapping for ransom, weapons dealing, extortion, casinos, underage and/or forced prostitution etc...

^ For sure. If drugs were made legal, the price of them would drop and they wouldn't make the big money they are now. It would be much less incentive for them to be in the drug-making/selling business, so they'd probably turn to other illegal means of making money. It's not about the drugs I think, so much as it is about making as much money as they can--and sadly, it's a lot easier to make money by illegal means than it is lawful ones ><

@Wolf: I'm not saying the drug dealers are excused. I'm saying the anti-drug policies for which we fight this dumb war on drugs are completely illogical and counterproductive. Our budget is drained, our energy is wasted, and our lives are lost trying to enforce laws that SUPPORT the same drug dealers we're trying to fight. Think about that for a second - it's super dumb.

This business they make so much profit off of, and hurt so many people over, was created and continues to exist thanks to our own prohibition laws.

And you're thinking about Nixon, by the way.

Deamonbane said
My opinion? Declare the smuggling and distribution of drugs like Cocaine, crack, meth, etc to be an act of terrorism, thus allowing the police force to be better armed to be able to deal with the threat as well as being able to shot to kill when it actually comes down to it without having to be worried about being prosecuted for Excessive force...

I suppose we're lucky you're not in charge. I couldn't think of a better way to make things worse.

Maybe. But it would sure save a lot of cops' lives by arming them better than sidearms and shotguns against assault rifles, sub-machine guns and .50 cals. It would also mean a lot more drug dealers off the streets and actually afraid of breaking the law. It would also mean that it doesn't get to be used by the rich and the famous despite their status, not making it seem 'cool'. It would dry up the drug trade efficiently, not unlike the Anthrax trade and the Uranium trade...

Maybe we are lucky I'm not in charge. But maybe the people running this 'War on Drugs' should start taking it a lot more seriously than they have lately.

Unrelated:

What... the... actual... fuck?

*grins and is hypnotized by image*

TheEvanCat said
Unrelated:

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Suspenders!

Deamonbane said
Maybe. But it would sure save a lot of cops' lives by arming them better than sidearms and shotguns against assault rifles, sub-machine guns and .50 cals. It would also mean a lot more drug dealers off the streets and actually afraid of breaking the law. It would also mean that it doesn't get to be used by the rich and the famous despite their status, not making it seem 'cool'. It would dry up the drug trade efficiently, not unlike the Anthrax trade and the Uranium trade...Maybe we are lucky I'm not in charge. But maybe the people running this 'War on Drugs' should start taking it a lot more seriously than they have lately.

No. You know what would save a lot of cops' lives? Not sending them off to fight a dumb war that's a direct result of our own prohibition laws and our irrational fear of drugs.

Your "solution" would be disastrous in more than one way. You're suggesting we spend even MORE money on it. Like we haven't already wasted innumerable amounts. And you're suggesting we send police officers out with military-grade weapons. Yeah, that'll go well. Because if there's one more thing we need, is more death! And cops with more, bigger guns! Yes! Great idea. Let's turn our borders into Afghanistan.

I'm sorry I have to be so sarcastic and condescending, but I honestly don't know how else to react to this.

Pepperm1nts said
No. You know what would save a lot of cops' lives? Not sending them off to fight a dumb war that's a direct result of our own prohibition laws and our irrational fear of drugs. Your "solution" would be disastrous in more than one way. You're suggesting we spend even MORE money on it. Like we haven't already wasted innumerable amounts. And you're suggesting we send police officers out with military-grade weapons. Yeah, . Because if there's one more thing we need, is more death! And cops with more guns! Yes! Great idea. Let's turn our borders into Afghanistan.I'm sorry I have to be so sarcastic and condescending, but I honestly don't know how else to react to this.

MOTHERFUCKER I WAS DEFUSING POLITICS. SHUT THE FUCK UP AND ENJOY GEE DUBS GETTING BRUSHED.

TheEvanCat said
MOTHERFUCKER I WAS DEFUSING POLITICS. SHUT THE FUCK UP AND ENJOY GEE DUBS GETTING BRUSHED.

LMFAO! THiiiiiis xD

Okay, fine.

But I had to say something. I had to.

Wanna know what is really taking cops lives? It isn't the drug dealing in an of itself. It is the people that finance it. Drugging and junkies that rob people at gunpoint, slice innocent people up, shoot their way out of trouble and, if they get arrested, serve less than a year in a minimum security prison because they are minors. It isn't the disease that is bad. It's the symptoms. And extreme measures to get rid of the disease is the fastest way to get rid of the symptoms.

The Drug dealers already have military Grade weapons (here in Brazil, anyways). People walk around the cities in fear of when their gonna be held up by two 15-year-olds holding Uzis and obviously high. Cops that aren't allowed to carry weapons when off duty are being gunned down in the streets. I am not saying throw more money into it. I am saying take more extreme measures, because the slight measures are obviously not working. If movies and TV series stop making heroes out of the people that deal drugs, it would be better too. Show Walter White, for instance, the way that they show terrorists in the movies.

Maybe declaring it to be an act of terrorism is a bit extreme, but our light measures now obviously aren't working.

Also, something Random...



Have a potato for the long post.

Okay. We're all done here.

@Daemon: You don't understand though. We don't need to fight back harder. That's counterproductive and flat-out wasteful. What we need to do is legalize drugs, regulate them and tax them. That'll stop a big portion of drug-related illegal activities and the government will make a profit. No need to send people out to die needlessly, or cause further violence that risks escalating the matter into something far more costly and bloody.

And clearly you've completely missed the point of Breaking Bad. It's not idolizing a criminal. If anything it shows how our prohibition laws have paved the way for a BOOMING illegal trade market, and smuggling. It shows you how bad we have let things become. There wouldn't be big drug operations like the ones you see in the show if we hadn't given them the means with which to create these illegal enterprises.

We don't need harsher measures; We need to stop being stupid. We've spent far too much money on the war on drugs. Too many lives have been lost. The last thing we need is to spend more money on it and risk escalating the violence.

You don't fight these things with fire. That's not how real life works.

@Evan: Sorry, I lied.

You lied? Okay. Well, I'm about to download 4.3 gigabytes worth of Arma maps. I'll be gone for today.

Pepperm1nts said
@Daemon: You don't understand though. We don't need to fight back harder. That's counterproductive and flat-out wasteful. What we need to do is legalize drugs, regulate them and tax them. That'll stop a big portion of drug-related illegal activities and the government will make a profit. No need to send people out to die needlessly, or cause further violence that risks escalating the matter into something far more costly and bloody.And clearly you've completely missed the point of Breaking Bad. It's not idolizing a criminal. If anything it shows how our prohibition laws have paved the way for a BOOMING illegal trade market, and smuggling. It shows you how bad we have let things become. There wouldn't be big drug operations like the ones you see in the show if we hadn't given them the means with which to create these illegal enterprises.We don't need harsher measures; We need to stop being stupid. We've spent far too much money on the war on drugs. Too many lives have been lost. The last thing we need is to spend more money on it and risk escalating the violence.You don't fight these things with fire. That's not how real life works.@Evan: Sorry, I lied.

I'm actually in agreement with PepperM1nts as far as making drugs legal and then regulating/taxing them. But not OVER regulation either, the government just flat needs to keep their nose out of our personal damn lives as much as possible. But there needs to be SOME regulation for safety, etc. It would solve a lot of problems, AND might help the US chip away at our friggin monstrosity of a debt that we've built up, thanks to our emperor *cough* I mean president.

THAT is the last I will be saying on the matter of politics, because I seriously don't want to leave Cara a shitstorm of crap when she comes back online LMAO. I don't REALLY want to see a Carazilla. Not directed at me, anyway D:

The violence has already escalated. It's the working class that seem to be the ones in the crosshairs.

But, you are right, legalizing drugs would take a huge load off of the criminal investments, it would be a severe blow, I have to admit that. Sadly, a lot of very rich, very powerful people won't let that happen. For now, anyways.

I'm sorry I caused an argument. I have strong feelings on the subject, and it kept me from seeing that you had a good point, Pepperm1nts.

Also, read the picture in my above post!