Holy crap so much has happened since I poofed... I have a shitload to catch up on.

Holy crap so much has happened since I poofed... I have a shitload to catch up on.

Hm, I think a lot of people are still waitin' on stuff? But, we're getting there!! ;-D

Well catching up only took me sixteen years, but I did it. Working on an Asbjorn post now.

I'll be getting a post up tomorrow... hopefully. I have plenty of work to do as well as busy with a Career Day class on Saturday and may visit a friend on Sunday. Hopefully I'll get something up by Sunday at the latest.

@Ajax Amari

Hey, she's got to do something to keep her friends alive! A dead cowboy is no good to anyone. What's the matter, does Ajax want to be one of Sombra's "friends" too? XD

Well.

The thing is.

Sombra is talon.

Those she's sending missions are overwatch. Which messes things up when we had missions planned. We have had to change tactics and shift things around.

Because no one is telling Vicier or myself anything.

So we are scrambling to fix things. To make them blend.

You want to send missions to Ana and jack? Fine. But when it starts going into things that we need to control? Or that Vicier does? It frustrates and delays us. When it leads people into missions that Angela hasn't assigned? Especially after being pressured into giving missions? Especially by genji for him to then be like "nope sort can't do it anymore"?

Do you know how much that delayed us?

Vicier needs to know things. She needs to know them so she can adapt to the situation rather then be scrambling to find a common, level ground. She is the GM it's her job to make things happen, and make them happen in a way that means it isn't going to push a majority of characters into the back ground because yeah, sombra is leading the show. She is giving missions and hints to people when she frankly shouldn't be.

And so far? So far it's just been the Ana, jack, Reinhardt, Jessie sombra and genji show. Because of not being told, several characters are being delayed in being introduced. Several characters are not able to have an active role, or as active as everyone else, in the roleplay.

So Vicier needs to know things.

And I know I'm going to cop some flack for this, but frankly, it has to be said. Because this is Viciers roleplay. She is the GM and yet, no one except one or two people are acting like it.

And other people are roleplaying in this and deserve a chance to be a big part of it too.

@Caits

Why are you bringing this up again? The matter's already been looked at and dealt with.

I think you've over-reacted just a tad. Yes, from a GM perspective, I can see why you'd be annoyed when people do their own sub-plots instead of waiting for the GM's plot. That's already been addressed. But honestly, one person leaving the mission shouldn't throw such a spanner in the works for a group roleplay. Genji can't do it? Never mind, swap him out for someone else - there are characters being left behind at the OW base to do training, so it's not as if Genji leaving is going to leave one mission under-numbered. Also, you keep calling this a "mission". Sombra has noticed a friend of hers is in need of aid. She can't go off and do anything to help, so she contacts more of her friends to help him. That's not a mission, that's a favour. She hasn't given orders or anything, she's just keeping her network thriving and alive - which I think is sticking to her canon personality quite a bit. I've already stated in her CS - and it's stated in canon - that she isn't fully loyal to Talon. She's loyal to herself, and by default, that means keeping her friends alive. I haven't written her out of character once, so it isn't a case of her doing things she "frankly shouldn't."

If you want to discuss this further, I'd be happy to defend my writing - and that of others - in a PM. It's silly to keep dredging up arguments in the OOC like this.

It has not been resolved. No way in high heaven or earth has it been resolved. It was brushed over and that was it.

Not that it's any of your business but Genji already had a mission that we had to swap around and change. It actually effected a couple of other missions and as such roleplays.

Whether it is mission or "favors" of does not matter she is doing it to overwatch members and screws things over and actually it's not very sombra like anyway-canon wise after all she only thinks for herself and is willing to sacrifice friends for her own personal gain.

But that is not the point.

The Point is, things are being messed up because Vicier doesn't know things that she should. We have brought this up before, but it just got ignored really.

The point is, things are being messed up because we just can't keep up, we can't keep things how they should have been, because of these..."favors". And other things. That is the damn point so don't dodge around the issue

As GM, Vicier at least needs to know things. And she doesn't. Because no one has sought to tell her. That is the point and I'm not going to let you derail it.

Capice?

@Caits

Pretty sure Vicier herself put a stop to it - and the medical debate - with a post 9 days ago. The one with the cute bird cartoon? Yeah; I figure if the GM chooses not to continue with it, the point has been made, and everyone knows where they stand in the future - ergo, the matter is resolved. I haven't received any messages about the McCree mission from her (no idea about the others) so I assume the matter is dropped. Everyone is getting missions now, and we know not to do side-missions without consulting Vicier in the future. That's been established. The lesson has been learnt.

As for Sombra: "willing to sacrifice friends for her own personal gain." - I've already said it wouldn't be beneficial for her for McCree to die. So... yeah. Sticking to my mexican-hacker guns pretty well I think.

Again, if you want to continue this - PM me. I welcome constructive criticism, as any writer should.

No, because and listen, this involves everyone. Not just you. Everyone is not telling Vicier things.

Listen carefully, To my point vicier needs to know things so things are not messed up like they have been. . And no, I've just reread he post and Vicier didn't put a stop to the discussion about not being told anything. And it obviously has not been learnt.

First off, I am not unfairly attacking middle earth. Not once have I. I am simply trying to address the issue that, if you read my posts I have stated several times, GMs are being left in the dark at a crucial one where we need to develop things. And those things are being messed up.

I'd love to get some talon things sorted. But given that Sombra went off to do her own "thing" and there hasn't been a reaper post yet, I can't really do much with ceri to make that happen.

And hey, guess what guys, look at the tags, it's a slice of life roleplay! There has to be, Shock horror, some lifey style stuff. We didn't hide that in the original post, it's right there at the top, where all can see!

Oh and guess what? I'm repeating myself again! The simple fact is that by not having anyone tell us what is going on it has messed up things completely that we don't actually know how to fix it, our own roleplay. We worked hard on this, and to have a few people essentially take it over and not give us a chance to get it developed? Can you imagine how frustrating that is, especially when no one has given us the simple curtersy of flicking us a Pm saying "oh hey I want to do this, is that a problem? How can we make this happen?" Because guess what, we would try are darnedest to make it happen, so that we could be prepared and make sure that things aren't going to be royally screwed!

I've worked with people in my own roleplays to develop ideas. I don't need to know everything in them, but I do if it's going to turn everything upside down! It's the same here, for Vicier.

I like the idea of what is happening, just not the impelntation because it screws us over. It's forced us to change hard developed missions and essentially change a big chunk of the roleplay. That's the delay in missions. That's the delay in posts from us. Because we are trying to fix and adapt what is broken, what has been forcibly changed not just by one person, but by several characters.

It is a major change to the roleplay, one we weren't prepared for because guess what? That's right! No one told us! So it's effectively put the roleplay on an unstable ledge because it feels like people are trying to take control of everything. And that's not what good roleplayers should do. I have never had, in my 12 years of roleplaying, this issue.

Yes it's fine to throw things out there, but not something like this. Not something that royally screws thinks and change the dynamics we worked so hard to create.

What do you want me to do, send a mass email? Because right now, it isn't just one or two people that are involved in this. This discussion is meant to be something the whole cast can see, hence OOC. If you are not happy with that, tough! Our hands have been tipped to do it this way, and I don't like it.

Yes we have the children of canon characters and this is not the first time they have been mentioned, nor is it the first time
It's seemed to be a problem. I worked hard to develop Lucas. Vicier worked hard to develop Juliette. Ajax worked hard to develop Ajax. They deserve to be here. So kindly please stop using them as an excuse to not do things cannonly. You were aware they existed. We were not aware that what has been done in the ic was going to happen. We couldn't prepare. It's not even a close comparison.

Do you know what's off putting to watch? People trying to take over your roleplay and then acting like they aren't. That when a reasonable request such as letting the GM know about such major events happening is turned into such an arguement.

It's going to keep causing problems until it is addressed and guess what? I'm going to keep on bringing it up in the OOC until people start to listen and understand.

I see your side of it. But I know from experience a roleplay like this, you don't keep the GM out of the loop. They need to know what is happening so they can make sure it runs smoothly.

That's has been my entire point, that you seem intent on brushing over.

Evendentlu there is a point. Or I wouldn't have to keep on bringing it up. I have played junkrat like I have, and will do, now and had no issues. Perhaps wait more then two posts for him to judge how I play him.

Again I don't have a problem with the character but what has even done without GMs knowing about it and please stop bloody making me repeat myself. Read my posts properly. I am not in a rage nor is it "water under the bridge".

I have no issues personally with middle earth. Unfortunately, it's just the straw that broke the camels back and to be quite frank, none of you seem to actually care that both Vicier and myself have been attacked in this right from the start. But once more, you see what you wish to see and that is it.

I am not trying to demonise anyone merely show how a few things have screwed us over. Merely show how important it is for Vicier to know what is going on so will you please stop trying to make me the bad guy, when I'm just trying o ensure that she can make this roleplay great?

If you don't like it...I can't do anything about that.!

I really hate having to repeat myself over and over and over again. This isn't fun for me.

Regrettably, or perhaps not, I'm leaving this roleplay. As I prefer to try not to derail threads by airing my business in the OOC, most of the issues that have led me to this decision have been brought up in PMs but it boils down to a fundamental disagreement about player agency and importance in open roleplays like this, which came about after some information about the upcoming Overwatch missions was shared with me.

I hope all the players find what they're looking for in this game and that the roleplay continues to do well.

@Vicier
Please remove my sheets from the character tab.

@Caits@MiddleEarthRoze@Jacobite
Guys, can we just take a step back for a second? I know that this whole thing is something everyone's very passionate about right now, but this is A) getting personal and B) not constructive the way things are going right now. This has gone from OOC for writing progression to personal attacks the ballgame, and frankly I think there should be a little less salt.

I'm not going to sit here and right a dissertation on why literally everyone here is Satan, because that would be a waste of my time and yours. But Cait and Rose, both of you have been at each other's throats since the medicine thing. Rose, there was no need to bring it up the first time you did in this conversation. Cait, I see where you're coming from, but the Sombra thing is buried under like twelve posts now. It's part of the RP at this point, and it feels like the only thing to do is adapt to it. She should tell GMs about what she's doing when she sends people off, but it's not like you necessarily couldn't swap someone else in since it's done at this point.

Also, it kinda seems to me that there's this spring loaded mentality to take things personally. We should stop doing that.

In tabletops, if your players get bored, they're going to find something to do. I don't blame Caits or Vic personally for that, but it's happened and they found something to do. And to be entirely honest, I was excited to see something going on. If Talon didn't get rolling soon, I was just going to send Sampson off and take whoever wanted to come with me.

I like the Overwatch universe. I think it's conducive to great stories, and I'm excited to be able to write about it. I would like to be able to do that, but right now this is getting a little ridiculous. Just... deep breaths, guys. Jesus.

TL;DR- Calm down guys. I'm not going to respond to this in OOC, if someone has salt with me send a PM.

EDIT: Typos, added mentions.

This seems to be falling falling apart a simple misconecption of what is trying to be said. I think what Vici and Cait are trying to say is that if they at least had an idea of what was going to happen they could have prepared for it. I think more the thing that hurts their agendas for the roleplay is the relationships much more than the missions. I know personally that Ajax will neither trust nor befriend Genji if he sensed unloyalty to Overwatch (which, by the way, means he won't be joining up with Sombra's gang sorry Roze). He also wouldn't trust Ana which is kinda sad. I also think that they probably had matching prepared based on personalities, like maybe Genji was meant to mentor someone on this trip, or he was meant to learn something that would uplift his heart from one of the newer members. Oh and lastly...I don't know how much this is bullying...maybe Roze feels like it is and should voice her opinion but I mean...I've been bullied my whole life for stupid reasons and I'm a Hanzo main so I know what bullying and cyber bullying looks like. I hope though that this could end and move on to something better.

That is true...I just feel that bullying is usually more personal, now it could be just because I have different experiences as I'm sure we all do.

Yea...I just think it's sad for someone to not be able to trust their mother (or adoptive mother)