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@Dinh AaronMk, it is additional proof that socialism and communism will never work... just saying..
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@Dinh AaronMk, it is additional proof that socialism and communism will never work... just saying..


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@Dinh AaronMk, it is additional proof that socialism and communism will never work... just saying..


tfw you can't even get full communism because that final step where the proletariat overthrow the revolutionary government before they turn into a second bourgiese elite is forgotten.

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tfw you can't even get full communism because that final step where the proletariat overthrow the revolutionary government before they turn into a second bourgiese elite is forgotten.


The only way to get full communism is to kill all of the poor people.

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The only way to get full communism is to kill all of the poor people.


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The only way to get full communism is to kill all of the poor people.


Then whose surplus labor would we exploit?
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Then whose surplus labor would we exploit?


Boxer the horse.
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@Vilageidiotx So Doggo, what do you think should be done about Assad in light of the chemical attacks?
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1. There's still a pretty strong chance this was a false flag (as in ISIS gases people and Assad gets blamed). Pressure and preparation are warranted; war is not.

2. The US should absolutely not get into another unilateral op, and removing Assad without providing stability is only going to empower ISIS. If there's a military repercussion, either make it limited enough to maintain the balance of power (which is hurting ISIS badly), or make it sufficient that ISIS has no vacuum to fill after Assad is gone. This would be the perfect opportunity for the EU, the UN, and/or NATO to do something useful for a change.

3. Assad is really a cunt anyway, so if the EU, UN, and/or NATO would like to skip step one, I'm all in favor. I just better not see another OIF-style """"""coalition""""" in which >80% of the funding is coming from the USA.

Update: missile retribution has been delivered.

Double update: conflicting reports, but at least some sources are saying 59 missiles hit home and the barrage caused zero casualties? Game-changing-ish levels of interesting if true.
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It doesn't make any sense. Not only was he winning the war, he had just gotten the US on his side - basically - via Trump, who generally seems to support Russian actions in the area. Not to mention Assad had supposedly given up his chemical weapons stockpiles to the UN a while back. Now, suddenly, he's got more chemical weapons and for some inexplicable reason he's dropping them on his civilians again. Given what we know, it doesn't make any damn sense. Maybe something was happening behind the scenes that would explain this sudden shift in policy, but nothing that is public helps explain why Assad would do something so stupid.
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Double update: conflicting reports, but at least some sources are saying 59 missiles hit home and the barrage caused zero casualties? Game-changing-ish levels of interesting if true.


Said they warned the Russians, which makes sense. This keeps shit in the realm of political maneuvering for now. If they had straight-out went for it without the warning, probably would have killed some Russians and the level of international incident would have been waaaay higher.

It doesn't make any sense. Not only was he winning the war, he had just gotten the US on his side - basically - via Trump, who generally seems to support Russian actions in the area. Not to mention Assad had supposedly given up his chemical weapons stockpiles to the UN a while back. Now, suddenly, he's got more chemical weapons and for some inexplicable reason he's dropping them on his civilians again. Given what we know, it doesn't make any damn sense. Maybe something was happening behind the scenes that would explain this sudden shift in policy, but nothing that is public helps explain why Assad would do something so stupid.


Dictators do stupid shit all the time. The history of dictatorships is a history of poorly thought out stupid shit.
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Maybe Assad really is that dumb, but Syria is currently a big clusterfuck and I'm not entirely convinced. There are a dozen other factions vying for control that could have been the ones to deploy the gas, that would make far more sense than Assad just randomly deciding he wants to spice his life up a bit by pissing off the US.
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Maybe Assad really is that dumb, but Syria is currently a big clusterfuck and I'm not entirely convinced. There are a dozen other factions vying for control that could have been the ones to deploy the gas, that would make far more sense than Assad just randomly deciding he wants to spice his life up a bit by pissing off the US.


I'm not saying I know for certain it was him, i'm just saying that it isn't surprising or out of character for a dictator to do something like that. He figures he has Russian protection and that the current US President is weak. Throw that in with the personality of somebody who has had that level of power for so long and you have a good recipe for a gas attack
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He figures he has Russian protection and that the current US President is weak.


But he's pretty much on the cusp of victory, with or without chemical weapons. If the rebels were about to bust down his door to crucify him, I would understand how he might reach that level of desperation. But no, the dude's winning, has Russian support, and up until the gas attack had the indirect approval of the US because Trump seems to be okay with what is happening there with Russia. He is putting all of that in jeopardy, and for what? So he can taunt the US (and the world), hedging his bets on the belief that the US is still unwilling to enforce the red line? Seems way too risky and unnecessary. Then again, I'm not a crazy dictator, so who knows what's going on in his head.
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Let's just fuck Turkey and support Rojava already.
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