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Yeah, the Arhive guy I mentioned above made our map.

We did the map and broken down on the province map our main continent has enough space. I'd rather not have too much extra.

I would actually allow some minor holdings in the New World at the beginning (keep in mind they'd be early colonies for the continent was newly discovered) and I think we're going to get a second map just for the New World at some point.

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I'm inclined to think that people may be best off defining their own resident terrain, or having the terrain textures indicate the type of region it is rather than, say, the forest being an actual big forest. The way the island looks to me, scale wise, makes it so it looks like we're stuffing all this in Greenland or, really, a fraction of Australia. I look at the map and I think it's tiny just for the couple folks that have ample landspace.
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As far as scale goes it's meant to be a full continent. I don't really know what could be done to make it look bigger on a map, but maybe Arhive could figure something out.
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If I was feeling suicidal, I'd probably take the little spit going out into the water on the left. >.>
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Colour me intrigued, though space does seem at a premium.
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Our map has lots of space and I doubt everyone with rolls/expressed interest will actually join. So don't worry, it's (probably) not as crowded as you'd think.

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Pass it through a filter to make it look old, like the maps of the time which had really notorious drawings of stuff that was recognizable for those who read them, such as castles or wind currents.
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A .. tribal city state? That'd be.. interesting.
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Yeah, you've got some pretty unique rolls there. I can imagine that there might be a bunch of really big clans in the city and some sort of ruling council made of the different chieftains/patriarchs/elders.
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Anyways, I do have my issues with the current map.I put it into points:
1.) It's somewhat featureless which in turn makes it crowded. If there are more features then people find it easier to make smaller nations.
2.) Landmarks are too big. Mountains, forests and everything are too large on the map. Again contributing to make it feel small.
3.) It doesn't show the New World. Since colonialism is going to be a major thing that should get relevant very soon. Heck, some countries may have a headstart in that for all I know. Their territories must involve some colonial zone with their colors.


Hey there man. I do get where you're coming from on most of these (even although it does pain me to see my map smacked aside and other random maps recommended in it's place, i worked really hard on it!).
To answer some of your worries:
Yeah i do agree with you the sense of scale is rather odd, and i recognize this is due to my drawing style. It's rather hard to add more features without making the map look like a mess of features. In short adding more features would make it feel a rather bit too crowded.
I understand it is not perfect but i don't feel a true need for perfection. But i see some people might want to disagree with me on this.

I can though alleviate your worries about the map lacking the new world. I do intend on finishing a complete world map at some point. We just focused on Albion as it is more important that the rest of the world game wise. So when the full world map is finished things may look a bit less 'oversized' as what you are currently looking at is but a section of the world map.

If you do have any advice about how you think the map may be altered i will be glad to hear you out. But don't expect too much from me as people have already started making claims and things are almost set in stone.
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@CycloneCan I ask what rolls are crunch and which are just for flavor for clarification?

@TheArhive Thanks for your work in the map thus far
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@CycloneCan I ask what rolls are crunch and which are just for flavor for clarification?

@TheArhive Thanks for your work in the map thus far


The important ones are: population, territory size, technology, domestic stability, urbanization, and military size.

It's largely a question of degree, e.g. even the "flavor" ones like military reputation might be important if you roll that other nations fear your nation. But that they consider your military to be "devious" or "barbaric" or "craven" is mostly flavor.

The biggest flavor ones are probably government type, government's source of income, military reputation, military focus, and resources. I'm a lot more flexible on changing those categories.
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<Snipped quote by Willy Vereb>

Hey there man. I do get where you're coming from on most of these (even although it does pain me to see my map smacked aside and other random maps recommended in it's place, i worked really hard on it!).
To answer some of your worries:
Yeah i do agree with you the sense of scale is rather odd, and i recognize this is due to my drawing style. It's rather hard to add more features without making the map look like a mess of features. In short adding more features would make it feel a rather bit too crowded.
I understand it is not perfect but i don't feel a true need for perfection. But i see some people might want to disagree with me on this.

I can though alleviate your worries about the map lacking the new world. I do intend on finishing a complete world map at some point. We just focused on Albion as it is more important that the rest of the world game wise. So when the full world map is finished things may look a bit less 'oversized' as what you are currently looking at is but a section of the world map.

If you do have any advice about how you think the map may be altered i will be glad to hear you out. But don't expect too much from me as people have already started making claims and things are almost set in stone.
When I make a suggestion, it's that. I don't demand anything but offer alternatives people to consider. So don't worry I am not urging you to replace the map. Not like I'd even have the power for it but it's good if I make this certain.

As for advices? Hmm, I'll be honest and say that you're likely more skilled making maps than me so in a way my suggestions might be not as useful. With that said as fellow artist I might be able to give you explanations why is it like that:

1.) Your map of the main continent doesn't fill up a sufficient portion of the image. Thus feels small.
2.) Your map shows the edges of the two other continents. They both seem to be larger. Thus feels small.
3.) The narrowed "tendril" half-islands seem to be almost as articulated as the random wavy borders of the main continent. This leaves the illusion that the territory is small. Non-native speaker here so I hope I explained this sufficiently.

These three actually contribute to making it look not massive. I can also talk from the perspective of a player. Those bay-like areas are neat but also charm the player to encompass them even as a small nation. Thus reducing the perceived area. Mountains are another thing, they can define borders for players but they're so large here. Check Africa for comparison (which kinda looks like your continent):

They're hard to do as subdued like this, though.
And one of the maps I suggested, Strangereal, had a similar issue. So it isn't as big of a problem as it sounds.
To be fair though this is why the geographical map was never used for player colored borders. Perhaps making a blank alternative for your map would solve some issues? Players are already encouraged to imagine up the details. We have beautiful examples where players drew their own detailing for within their country borders.

Another suggestion from game perspective, add sub-continents if possible. I mean the "small" islands are good but there'd be always players who want to be England or your stereotypical semi-isolated country. In this case players with smaller territory but big navy rolls might even be designed for it.

Alight, it wouldn't be really fair to redraw the map. But how about altering it a bit?
Making it blank might be easy via tracing and then zoom it on a bit to make it almost as big as the entire image? That could solve some issues already.
If you want to do more serious work on it you can try straightening out the outlines or making it straighter and less angular most of the time. Also potentially adding a mini-continent close by for people who wishes to have a faint water surface between them and the rest of the continent. The "small" islands are good but only a specific kind of player style would really want to be on those.

Again, I repeat these are just ideas of mine. You aren't forced to do any of these. I try just my best to help you.

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To be fair Albion is supposed to be the smallest continent. And to kind of the British isles to the Commonwealth side of the world.
There will indeed be a larger world map which should improve the sense of scale, so ill hold off major edits till i do that.
The other two continents are indeed larger, with Albion being relatively small.
The map is honestly supposed to feature only the larger things on it. I'd imagine there are indeed way more islands or smaller rivers and mountains in the world. But are far too small to be drawn of the world map. I guess the art style does make it seem like they should still be there (as it is a realism style, as opposed to a old hand drawn map style where this would be obvious).
Mountains Irl can also be rather large irl, i think the issue here is that this continent is indeed small, but the sense of scale is almost non exzistent as i haven't mapped the rest of the world.
I will indeed keep trying to improve this map till the RP launches, and even afterwards albeit with much less major changes.

I do indeed also have a blank slate map which will have it's own degree of use.
Thanks for the advice mate.
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To be fair Albion is supposed to be the smallest continent. And to kind of the British isles to the Commonwealth side of the world.
There will indeed be a larger world map which should improve the sense of scale, so ill hold off major edits till i do that.
The other two continents are indeed larger, with Albion being relatively small.
The map is honestly supposed to feature only the larger things on it. I'd imagine there are indeed way more islands or smaller rivers and mountains in the world. But are far too small to be drawn of the world map. I guess the art style does make it seem like they should still be there (as it is a realism style, as opposed to a old hand drawn map style where this would be obvious).
Mountains Irl can also be rather large irl, i think the issue here is that this continent is indeed small, but the sense of scale is almost non exzistent as i haven't mapped the rest of the world.
I will indeed keep trying to improve this map till the RP launches, and even afterwards albeit with much less major changes.

I do indeed also have a blank slate map which will have it's own degree of use.
Thanks for the advice mate.
Hm, if the Commonwealth is larger than us then how in the blue hell we aren't conquered yet?
They are more advanced, they are bigger and they are in the colonizing biz earlier than us.
Heck, why they haven't colonized the New World yet?
If we're so inferior then we don't really have a place in this whole imperialism idea aside from playing second fiddle and hoping we earn a few crumpets from the bread of the Great Commonwealth.
Combined we're the equivalent of Japan at best and more likely something even less.

At least if our continent is bigger than the Commonwealth with combined military might enough to challenge them we can reason away why the Commonwealth don't literally own the entire world yet.
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I am tempted to enter my ballot and join this NRP! But I have bad luck with these things. @Cyclone I place my trust in you friend and pronounce my interest!
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<Snipped quote by TheArhive>Hm, if the Commonwealth is larger than us then how in the blue hell we aren't conquered yet?
They are more advanced, they are bigger and they are in the colonizing biz earlier than us.
Heck, why they haven't colonized the New World yet?
If we're so inferior then we don't really have a place in this whole imperialism idea aside from playing second fiddle and hoping we earn a few crumpets from the bread of the Great Commonwealth.
Combined we're the equivalent of Japan at best and more likely something even less.

At least if our continent is bigger than the Commonwealth with combined military might enough to challenge them we can reason away why the Commonwealth don't literally own the entire world yet.


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1.) The Commonwealth hasn't always been this big and has only recently achieved the size that it has
2.) Albion's combined might is greater than the Commonwealth's
3.) Other factors go into play here; just because one nation is a superpower doesn't mean it conquers everything in sight. An overseas invasion is difficult and there needs to be a good reason
4.) The New World was only recently discovered; the Commonwealth very well might look into it *cough cough spoilers* but for now they have a leg down because they're more distant. Also keep in mind that not every nation would have charts of the New World, and those that do might not necessarily have good maps
5.) Boy just trust me on this

(and yes I know I told you some of this on PM already, but it bears reiterating here for the benefit of others to read)
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