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Zsadist needed a fight but the lessers didn't seem to want to accommodate him. He growled low in his throat. If he didn't fight he was going to have to do something he didn't want to do. His demons were hounding him. And there was only one way to quiet them. Well two but the second one wasn't happening ever again. Pain he could handle. But touch. That brought back too many memories.

Fortunately his dark thoughts were interpreted by a call from V. Thank the Scribe Virgin he thought. He held his phone tight as he used V's voice to telephoto from his side of the town to where his brother had found a fight for him to join. He pocketed his phone as soon as his shitkickers hit the ground. He pulled out his knives with a wicked grin. One that looked all the scarier because of his scar. "Thanks for the invite."

He ran to the nearest lesser. He didn't bother to look around. If there were humans around his brothers could deal with them. He wasn't good with people. They tended to be afraid of him before he even had a chance to speak. So it was better to focus his attention on the enemy. He shoved his knives into the nearest lesser. Who happened to have grabbed a female. Zsadist barely noticed the woman. He shouldered her back."Get out of here!" He growled.

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Juni hates Lessers and what she hates more than them? Fighting them? Especially when she by herself because her so called friends ditched her!Juni thanked The Scribe Virgin that she had brought her knife when the lessers appeared. Not even five minutes in and she feels like she is losing. Juni was a animal lover not a freaking fighter! So why in Scribes name was she fighting!?

When one of the lessers had come up behind her she damn near pissed herself. Out of Reflex she punched out knocking the lesser to the ground surprising herself a bit. After that one three more appeared not only them but a member of The Brotherhood did too but sadly Juni barely took notice of him.

"Wonderful. Go to town they said!" She jumps out of the way of a weapon."IT'LL BE FUN!! Well this," She ducks from a swing only to be nicked in the shoulder."Isn't fun!" Juni cried. She screamed when she felt a Lesser grab her.

What happened next was kinda a blur but next thing she knew she was behind a Big, tall, dark and scary with very frightened Lessers either running away or 'lifting their weapon' to fight. Why could Juni be this scary?

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The McDonald's was busy that night. Children ran around the play area but they were getting to be fewer and fewer as the hour got late. No one knew that for one young mother and child it was their morning routine. Brenna watched her little girl Gracie sitting at a small table drawing while the other children ran and screamed. The screams didn't bother Gracie. She could barely hear them. No one, not even Dr. Hadley could say for sure when her hearing would disappear completely. But even if she was like the other children, Gracie wasn't the type to run and scream. She preferred sitting quietly and drawing. It had worried Brenna quite a bit, but the females at the shelter had assured her that Gracie would branch out as she got older.

Life hadn't been easy on either of them. She wished she could give Gracie a better life. Maybe then the little girl would behave more like... well, a little girl.
Her attention was drawn to the table again. Gracie was being harassed by the same two little boys who had been bothering her before. They looked at Gracie and saw an easy target. Vampire children were small for their age, only reaching their full potential after their transition.
Gracie swatted at the boys and Brenna stood to go over and take care of the situation. Before she got to the table the boys had poured a carton of milk over Brenna's head, laughing. Angered Brenna stood over the boys. "You two better hope your mothers beat your butts before I do," she snarled and they ran off afraid.

You okay? she signed to her daughter.
Fine, Gracie signed back sharply, revealing she was angry too.
The two boys mothers came over, having seen what happened, to apologize but neither Brenna or Gracie was in the mood. "Reign in your little brats or I will," Brenna snapped, knowing she sounded like a bitch but unable to help it. The human women got flustered but Brenna pushed past them before they could start to argue with her. She and Gracie left minutes later, after the manager apologized and helped clean Gracie up as much as possible.

Park, you wanna go? Brenna signed.
"No," Gracie answered. Sometimes she voiced her answers, her words slurred as though she were speaking with cotton balls in her mouth. She only voiced around her mother though.
Brenna sighed. She didn't know what to do. Gracie was becoming so anti-social. Was it her fault? Had she been parenting her wrong? She had no experience in this and no one to turn to for guidance.

Brenna heard the shouts at the same time that Gracie tugged on her hand. "Mommy mommy who are they," Gracie signed and voiced.
Brenna looked up to see some men fighting. The smell of baby powder hit her nose and fear spiked inside of her.
The smell of Lessers.
"Come on baby," Brenna said and picked up her child, preparing to run. A Lesser had spotted them, his pale eyes widening at the sight of a vampire child.
"We got a vamp kid!" He shouted to his cohorts and started towards the mother and child. Vampires were fiercely protective of females and even more so of children. If anything would make the Brotherhood bastards go crazy or please the Omega more, it would be the death of a vampire child!
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Vischous was driving through the streets looking everywhere he could. He knew that there was to be an attack somewhere soon and he could feel his arms twitching with excitement. You would say that if V could be anywhere in the world it would either be in front of his computers or it would be fighting anything that got in his way. He pulled up to a back alley way and rolled down the window. Baby Powder... He called Z on his video phone and pulled out his Katana sword from the center console. He looked around to see A vampire female being attacked when Z ran up and went to help her. He ran up and swung his sword attacking three lessers. He could then feel the strangest feeling rush over his body. Oh shit....not now. He thought to himself as he heard a lesser call out about a vampire child. He turned seeing the family and ran in front of her holding out his sword. "Don't worry... I can take care of this." He said to them as he kept his eyes on the lessers coming towards them slowly.
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Zsadist was about to call his brothers when V appeared. He figured that he and Viscious could take care of the lessers. He had already scared off a few. Which give the fact that he was 6'4 and scarred happened whether he wanted it to or not. He held his knives tight. He glanced towards the window when one of the lessers called out something about a child. What the hell was a kid doing in this. But luckily V was on his way to the mother and child. Which was for the best. He would only traumatize the kid. So he focused his attention on the other female that had gotten trapped by the lessers.

"Stay behind me and I will make sure that you get home safely." He promised before turning his attention to the lesser brave enough to come running at him. Some days he was grateful that lessers were stupider than humans. He needed to fight. Without a way to vent his anger and pain he would go crazy. He didn't care if he lived or died. In fact some days he wanted to die. Unfortunately his brothers knew that and kept a close eye on him.
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Juni nodded but didn't let her guard down she watched his back. Hey, she may not be experienced in battle that doesn't mean she can't find a way to help out. She caught some movement from the corner of her eye and rolled her eyes. Were these guys really going for the guys back? Oh Virgin wait, it was going for her. She couldn't help a small frightened smirk from forming at the thought. Thats fine She thinks to herself its only one lesser, and for Juni that was perfectly fine with that. She can do One versus one just fine.

She shifted her body a bit away from the man so she didn't bump him while he was fighting. Her father had taught her one thing when it comes to staying safe. Listen and watch your surroundings which right now came in handy because the lesser was trying to be quiet. It was breathing heavy though so she could tell that it was almost in position to strike. When she heard the lesser come running at them she turned her hand turned into a fist letting it connect with the Lessers jaw letting it fall back hitting its head against the concrete. When it didn't get up she let out a breath she never knew she was holding

" Dear Virgin, how the hell do ya'll punch these assholes without hurtin' yourselves?" She asks out loud coming closer to the man watching for anymore lessers that would try to catch the man by surprise again.

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Afecjtion and Seren were wandering through the city as Seren kept extremely near to her older brother. He stood tall as he moved and kept to a pace where Seren could keep up. Afecjtion smiled downwards to his younger sister. "Don't be afraid...I know you can hear those screams too." He patted the brunette haired female's silky locks. She clutched onto his leg and eyed around. They both could hear animal screams throughout the metropolis. Notably the ones of the Lessers expiring.

As they walked past allies. Afecjtion didn't appear to be truly tense or even shift an inch from the uproars that echoed out from the poorly lit places. While Seren would jolt or latch on to Afecjtion s lower limbs harder.
Though they past this one ally which had a strange noise beaming out of it. No one was in there. Then a lesser jumped out. Afecjtion grabbed Seren and jumped out into the road. A car slammed on their breaks as it just stopped in time. Afecjtion drew his sword and held it with his left hand swinging it round his wrist and catching it. "Bastard" He growled. "HEY! You crazy maniac! You could've killed yourself and that little girl. Get the HELL OUTTA THE ROAD!" The driver shouted at Afecjtion. As he glared back at the driver, he seemed not to be so impressed with the yelling. The lesser lunged once more. Afecjtion swung his sword holding his pointer and middle finger of his right hand on his left wrist. Hearing the lesser scream out. Afecjtion didn't hesitate to curve his sword and rip up on the beasts flesh. Kicking it right in the mid torso area. He slammed the creature to the ground. "Wh-ah-what the hell is that thing!?" The driver shouted with fear. As Afecjtion kept his foot pressed on the creatures chest. Decapitating it right away.

Afecjtion put his sword back into the sheath. Turning to his sister who stood so very quiet pleased him as he returned a smile to her actions. She giggled and smiled back running up and grabbing onto his leg. "Up...I want up." She did the grabby hands up to him. He picked her up and smiled at her as he held onto her. Holding her close the driver stepped out of his vehicle. "Dude what did...I'm calling the police!" The male started freaking out as Afecjtion got sense. He didn't say anything towards the humans threats.

He then started walking away. "Hey stop. I said stop!" The human shrieked. Afecjtion looked over his shoulder and titled his head. "No." He stated calmly as he then started running off. Afecjtion didn't know how to handle humans very well. Hearing the human shriek in the background. Afecjtion hid round a corner before running along the pavement. Making his way anywhere he and Seren could hide.

As he heard more noises he was slightly more tense since he ran into a lesser already. In the first ten minutes of being in this city he has ran into one lesser, an angry driver and had to run. Afecjtion was already deciding to just get through this city as quick as possible before anything else could happen. He didn't care if he was hurt or half dead. The only thing on his mind was to keep Seren safe even if that meant suffering. Though he had a mindset of staying alive for no one else would protect Seren.

Seren grabbed onto his neck and played with Afecjtion's light brown locks. Causing him to slow his pace before he stopped and looked at her. "What are you doing little one?" He asked. She titled her head and giggled shoving her face into his chest and rubbing her face up against his body. She giggled more. "I'm happy." She giggled and peeked up to him. Afecjtion's expression furrowed as he seemed to be confused on why she was acting like this.

He then slowly set her down again. "AHH! I want up!" She cried out and lifted her hands again and bounced a few times to be picked up again."Love, I can't hold you the whole time we're in this place. It's dangerous and if your against my chest the whole time. That's the first place people strike." He then got down on his knees as he noticed she was stopping her attention towards him and crossing her arms. He sighed then grabbed her chin, so she was looking at him. "I do not mean to upset you princess but I do not want to put you in danger. As your older brother. I swore on our parents graves I wouldn't let harm get to you." He looked at her, and she flushed up with anger."But I want up!"She screamed. He then stood up. "You are in a grumpy mood...You're usually happy..."He mumbled."...you were happy a moment ago."He sighed and looked down at her."I want up, though...please..."She whined and held her arms up again."Fine.But please don't whine like this again." Afecjtion said with annoyance in his voice as he picked little Seren up and began walking once more. She cuddled up into his chest again. As moments grew she became tired. Barely staying awake as he walked around.
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Anjelica nodded her head to the beat of the rock she was listening to with her headphones on. She could not stand all the noises in the bustling city and it was way better then talking with the random strangers. She could just keep to herself and keep her head down. Everyone in the world judged her for her looks and her tattoos. She could not help but try to keep everyone at a distance. She usually was not walking home this late at night, but she was not feeling very well. She left work early and decided she needed to sleep it off. As she looked up to cross the street, she saw a handsome man walking with a small girl in his hands. He looked absolutely tired. She pulled out her headphones and walked up to him. "Excuse me...are you okay?" She asked curiously but keeping her distance.

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Zavist walked slowly prowling the streets with the pace of a predator. His head suddenly snapped up and he cocked his head to the side. The smell of baby powder drifted to him and the feel of distress enveloped him. His thoughts were overrided with a single thought. protect a snarl came from him before he found himself running. Soon the running went to all fours and the shape became the faster wolf. Brindle coat flashing in the pale light as his pace quickened. Muscles rippling as each pace caused him to lengthen his stride.

He dashed past his brother Zsadist and the female vampire his lips curling to expose deadly canines. He was headed directly for the lesseners surrounding V the female and the child. He lunged tackling one to the ground and snapping at it as it tried to defend itself. Until finally he got the killing blow of the throat. Blood sprayed his muzzle and he ran in front of them his thoughts still housing the single thought. A growl escaped him before he stepped backwards to stand beside V. Wolf instincts wanting to protect but also work with his brother. Another growl ripped through his throat.
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Afecjtion stood in the quiet hours of darkness....as the city began to illuminate with the help of unnatural light as darkness grew thicker. Holding his kin firmly he kept a tight grip on her as he approached a corner. Looking round he sighed and shook his head slightly. Rolling his shoulders causing them to crack. He then heard footsteps coming closer to him as his head cocked to the feet on the pavement. It was a female with darker hair, light skin and covered in tattoos. She approached Afecjtion as he took a step back from her. Holding his body to the side causing it so his right shoulder was in between Seren and this feminine stranger. Looking her up and down she spoke out nicely and he felt slightly more relaxed at this encounter.

"I'm doing fine..." He stated as he looked her up and down...tattoos everywhere. He never saw anybody with so many tattoos before. Which intrigued him. Though his eyes shot right up to the female's. He didn't want to stare or be rude. Especially when the female was showing him kindness.
Making eye contact he stared at her for a moment with silence. Afecjtion could hear the females breathing and he breathed in deeply. "Are you okay?" He questioned as he felt as if he needed to say something back to her.

Shifting his body and shrugging his shoulders he took another step back. Afecjtion was just being protective of Seren. He didn't want to come off rude, but he rather comes off rude then have his younger sister be put into any extreme danger. Every time the female made body movement his eyes would dart down to anywhere though quickly back up to her eyes.
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Brenna screamed as the Lesser came out her and Gracie. She turned her back to it, crouching to protect her child with her body. But it didn't attack. Looking up Brenna was shocked to see a large body blocking the way to her and Gracie. The way he was built he couldn't be anything other than a Brother.

The Brotherhood was here!
"Mommy!" Gracie cried and pointed. Brenna nearly screamed again as a large wolf came bounding towards them, ripping a Lesser to pieces. Brenna covered Gracie's eyes to shield her from the carnage. Black blood flew and splattered like crude oil on the ground.

Gracie struggled against her mother's hold, signing frantically. She hated having her eyes covered. Sight was the main way she processed the world. When you were deaf sight was extremely important.
Brenna backed away from the fight and placed her daughter on the ground, pulling her face to look at her and nothing else.

Do not look, she signed to her.
"Monsters kill daddy?" Gracie voiced and signed at the same time. She was asking if these were the beings that had killed her father.
"Yes," Brenna said and signed. "But I not allow them hurt you, promise,"
"Who they?" Gracie voiced and signed, pointing at the large males.
"The Brotherhood," Nrenna answered, signing 'brother' and 'link/connected' as their sign for Brotherhood. Gracie's eyes went wide. She loved stories of the Brotherhood but had never actually seen any before. She brought her fists close to her chest, then opened her arms like she was releasing a bird.
Safe? was what the sign meant.
Brenna nodded. They were safe with the Brotherhood there.
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Anjelica smiled as she looked over the young girl and the man. It was sweet to see such a young family. "I was wondering because you looked really tired. I was just trying to see if you were lost or if you needed help?" She asked trying to hide a slight blush on her cheeks. As she spoke she could feel herself starting to almost drift out. God I think I need help for that matter... She thought to herself as she tried to hide it. He asked her if she was okay and she tilted her head slightly. "Yeah...I haven't been feeling very well lately." She said trying to keep a smile on her face. Anjelica did not want anyone to know when she was feeling sick.

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Vischous looked over at the mother and child for brief moments noticing the mother was signing to the child. Ah...that's why they haven't been screaming by this point. He thought to himself as he swung his sword cutting one lesser in half with out hesitation. He knew he had to save them. There was something about this family that needed to be saved. He looked around to check on the other brothers. With the current number of Brothers here...the lesser's wont keep up the fight for long. They didn't have enough to even take one of them down. He laughed as he thought about their odds.
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Afecjtion kept a close eye on the female that was talking to him. Noticing that she looked him and his younger sister over. "Mhm....yes, I am drained." He replies as he cracks his neck taking his eyes off from her for a few moments. Before focusing on her again. "No, I'm not lost. I just entered the city with my sister an hour ago. Just wandering before I find a place to sleep." He states as he looks around. Noticing the faint shadows that danced on the artificial illumination of the city.

As he looked around, he slowly looked back at the female catching her hardly flushed cheeks. Tilting his head slightly Afecjtion seemed to not take anything of it. Except that she was ill. Usually, an individuals cheek was flushed from emotion or illness. He rather takes to the illness side of things instead of an emotion filled paths. As the female spoke, she started she, hasn't been feeling well. Nodding his head, he looked at her. "Oh....so, you are sick..." He mumbled clearly enough for her. "Is it catchy?" Afecjtion asked in a tone of voice as if he didn't care that he got sick but the precious life form he was holding in his arms was to become with the same illness.

Seren, on the other hand, started to wake up from Afecjtion standing in one place for so long. Her bright eyes fluttered opened slowly and tiredly. "Fec." She quietly and sleepily called out for her brother. Paying his attention to the little girl. Afecjtion revealed a slight smile. "Yes?" He asked. "Where are we?" She started to wake up more as she sat up in his arms. Seren focused on the female standing in front of them before looking her up and down. Once she noticed somebody else was there she clanged onto her brothers clothing and hid her face right into his chest as she peeked out curiously. Trying to seem like she wasn't looking even though she was.


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Anjelica shook her head. "I don't think it is. No one else I have seen has been sick too. It has just kind of happened today." She said trying to hide it better. "I am sure its not contagious." She said not wanting him to worry about the little girl. "Is she...your sister?" She asked not wanting to assume she was his daughter. If she was, she would not need to ask about the mother...she had a feeling that the mother is not around anymore. "What is her name?" She asked trying her best to focus on it as she started to see black spots in her eyes. "Oh...no..." She said as she felt herself begin to pass out starting to fall to the ground. She never knew any illness to cause this....That was her last thought as she passed out.
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Afecjtion showed the female that he was putting his attention to her as she talked. "Maybe your immune system is just weakening?" He questioned as he was trying to just throw out ideas of what it could be. "Yes, this is my sister." He replied with a slight smile across his lips. As his eyes got pulled away from the female for a moment he watched the shadows dance across the buildings once more. He always enjoyed watching what happened in the night. "I'm Seren..." Seren whispered loudly enough for Afecjtion and the female to hear her. Afecjtion turned his attention to Seren and smiled at her. Showing he was proud of her for introducing herself instead of him always having to do it.

He heard the woman say 'oh....no' as he seemed to get interested in the sudden words. A feeling of heaviness and something is wrong. Afecjtion didn't know what though as he looked at the female seeing her trying to focus on the things she was looking at. She started to fall to the ground without a warning as Afecjtion grabbed for her catching her shirt collar right away. Holding her for a moment, he slowly let her down onto the ground. "Miss, are you okay?" Afecjtion asked as he set Seren down and knelt beside the woman.

As he checked to see if the woman was still breathing and if she had a heart beat. He was making sure everything added up to her just passed out or fainted and didn't die or harm herself. On the other hand Seren had a really confused expression on the situation as her brows furrowed up. She stared at her brother then looked to the lady lying on the cold pavement. She had grumbled in a nervous way before she backed up behind her brother and held onto the bottom of his shirt tightly.

"She must, of been overwhelmed with the illness..." Afecjtion mumbled to himself as Seren listened to what he was saying. His attention then went onto her facial features as he examined her. Her pale face and dark hair shined in the moonlight. Afecjtion titled his head as he stared at her. "You must be really sic-" he stopped his sentence. He now seemed to get tense; the hairs on the back of his neck stood up, and he got on guard. "You're a vampire..." Afecjtion mumbled as he stared at her. "A vampire?" Seren asked Afecjtion. "The woman is..." He looked back at his sister as she looked up at him. "Oh..." She popped her head from behind her brother's body and looked at the female. "What's wrong with her?" Seren asked curiously and very confused. "She could possibly be changing..." Afecjtion replied as he looked back at the female. He, never dealt with a vampire changing. But if he had to, he could try his best to deal with it.


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Z was grateful that his brothers had arrived. Two females and a child were more then he could deal with. He wasn't much of a people person. He avoided them when he could. His past made dealing with them, especially females, difficult. This way V and Zavist could handle the women. They were much better suited for that sort of thing then he was.

He was aware of the lesser behind him. Zsadist always knew when someone was behind him. He was surprised when the woman stepped up behind him. Not even his brothers would do that. Of course they knew better then to get behind him while this woman didn't. "I told you to get out of here. We can handle the Lessers." He snapped. He didn't like that this woman thought he needed her help. He was a warrior. A member of the most elite fighting group vampires had. He could handle himself. She needed to get somewhere safe while the lessers were distracted.
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Zavist growled before launching himself toward another lesser. Not having enough speed meant he had latched onto their arm ripping and pulling until they fell. Once down he started snapping for the throats while they struggled to keep him away. He felt someone approaching from behind. Before he could fully react he felt a blade slice across his should causing a small help to escape him. With more vigor he killed the one lesser before turning. A heartbeats moment and zavist stood in his more human form blood trickling from his shoulder.

The lesser charged him and he reeled back a punch before releasing it onto the lessers throat. Brass knuckles causing a thud to echo and the lesser to drop clutching their throat. He approached claws extending out from the finger tips of his gloves like a cats...but more deadly before he sliced through the throat.

He paused as he caught sight of the woman and child. Zavist shook his head..they were still too exposed. He made his way to them and crouched to their level once he was in front of them. He knew exactly two sentences in sign language. He started signing. [Are you hearing] gesturing to the mother. He hoped she was so he could say what he was planning instead of just grabbing them suddenly.
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Two lessers out numbered the brothers. One of them slipped behind the brothers in an attempt to grab the child. An young female was a price the omega would reward them highly for. Plus kids were much easier to transport than adults. Three attacked from the front while two more came from the sides. The lessors didn't fear death. They knew they could survive more than when they were human.

The smell of baby powder would intensify around the trio. They would soon find all their paths blocked. Pale men would soon appear out if the darkness. They all carried different kinds of weapons. They approached confidently knowing that they out numbered the one male vampire.
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Afecjtion stayed kneeing down by the lady as he set her fully down onto the hard pavement of the night. The wind whistled and blew through the opened allies and roads of the city. He smelled baby powder and his head titled. ...he then smelt an adolescent in trouble. As he shot up to his feet. He looked around he could hear the noises of commotion which was about a block or two away.

"Seren...watch her." Afecjtion noted towards the female that was passed out as he stepped over her and started walking towards the noises he heard."What?" Seren questioned as she looked confused. "Brother where are you going?" She asked."Somewhere I don't want you to go. Now watch her and stay." He commanded as he glared at his younger sister. She seemed a bit awkward at this and didn't comment back. Only to move over towards the female and stand beside her.

Afecjtion started travelling towards the noises as he grew closer he found himself turning on a street and instantly his eyes locked onto two adults and a child. Afecjtion looked to see there was bodies of lessers round them and the trio was out numbered.
He noticed pale men were in the shadows just out of it enough you could see their features. Afecjtion didn't know if he should intervene in this situation.

Reminding himself internally that he didn't have to help this trio at all and he could just walk away and forget he saw anything. Though he hated when children got wrapped up in terrible situations that individuals drag them into.
Afecjtion didn't want to get caught right up into it so, he hid behind the corner causing himself not to be noticed. He just listened to what was happening. If he had to, he could get himself into the situation but only if anyone tried anything.
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