@Negatomsk

Read my entire post next time, please. You're not even remotely close to what I was describing. Think about it this way. I spent ten of my eleven years as a roleplayer participating in medieval and human tier combat scenarios. In those scenarios, if you get struck hard in the jaw, it's a knockout just as it would be in real life. The Beardforce enables Gonad to maintain that high offensive power through tiers. Can you survive Gonad punching you in the face? No. Can you hunch your chin behind your shoulder and take it on the arm? Yeah, but depending on your character's power spread, how devoted they are to melee, it may leave either a bad bruise or dislocate the arm.

Lobo is NOT a melee specialist, otherwise he'd not be firing poison fireball arrows everywhere. Not only that, but for the trillionth time, Gonad's body is a weapon. You keep acting as if his punches should be treated like punches. They are like fucking mace swings, every bit as deadly as Lobo's killing moves.

Wasn't describing my post, was dissecting contradictions in the Beardforce as you attempted to describe it to Rilla.

So does the Beardforce allow Gonad to match his opponent's power? Does it stack on top of that power and multiply his physical strength at the same time? Your answers are changing and the different answers produce radically different results depending on what you go with.

If you are referring to a narrow focus on melee combat to the exclusion of other techniques then no, he is not a melee specialist either.

A 5th Degree Black Belt in Judo doesn't magically lose their martial arts knowledge simply because they one day take up archery.

But that's neither here nor there, seeing as you still haven't responded to my earlier assertion: you never denied my request for this fight to go unjudged, which was a condition for joining this fight, the same as my so-called tacit acceptance of everything in your sheet.

@Negatomsk

There are no contradictions, unlike the kind you keep spouting at me about not having an understanding about how the Beardforce worked before the fight. I didn't attempt to explain either, and I'm certainly more qualified to explain my own character to a judge than you are, considering how overpowered you keep implying Lobo is. I'll explain how my character works, and you'll quit trying to lie to my face, got it?

Go read my last post, it explains all that is needed. And yes, Gonad is a melee specialist because he only uses melee in offense, DUH. Lobo may be 'good' at melee (though you personally suck), but he can still channel his abilities to cover a wider versatility of functions and ranges than Gonad. Because all Gonad does is fuck people up close, he's obviously superior in that regard.

Oh wait, you're too stupid to have read my last post to see that I've already pointed that out. You're drastically exaggerating anything and everything to try and improve your argument, and asking the same shit over and over to stall.

You NEVER said it was a condition to have no judge. All you said was that you'd have "preferred not to have one". 'Prefer' as a word does not imply the implementation of a strict condition, you logic twisting trash.

Just to further drive the nail in, here's that proof of your bullshit again.

@Negatomsk

It seems the core of your argument is that Lobo's costume can absorb and redistribute force. If that's the case, I do believe I'm justified in calling a checkmate, with all due respect.

Keep in mind that the only description of Lobo's costume existing in regards to physical damage is a "heavy resistance", nothing about the mechanics of that resistance. Now, the heavy shit.

Remember before our fight, you brought up my match with Sky? I told you in no uncertain terms that...

Sky had kinetic dampening, absorbtion, and dissipation that was an explicit ability of his. I flat out told you that the Beardforce should have broken his bones anyways, so you can't claim that Lobo could have endured the headbutt. Like I said, I don't enjoy being 'that guy', but in a ranked match I'm plenty more strict.

In every way, shape, and form, I have made it clear that Gonad isn't supposed to be fought as if he were a traditional martial artist. He's a physical monster, whose blows I have genuinely likened to swords and maces being used on a normal human in his profile.
Lobo took the hit, and that hit is absolutely a knockout blow.

Now, keeping in mind the above, check this out.

I mentioned that two of our members have beaten you, I never mentioned which two. You assumed I meant Sky, you assumed I'd read his fight, so don't go putting words in my mouth or knowledge in my head.

So you didn't mean Sky? Then by all means enlighten me. I'm genuinely curious. During my year and a half on this site, I've only ever lost twice, both times intentional. Sky was one of them, so prove me wrong. I dare you. I double dog dare you. Either way I mentioned Sky in the post immediately after the one where I stated that the Beardforce could break bones through such defenses.

I went easy on your friend, and accomodated him to an incredible extent. He'd have lost in a single action if I had been more insistent on the function of Gonad's beardforce. Broken knuckles from the blocked punch, a broken wrist from the awkward way he tried to block the bear slap.

Pretty big talk considering two members of the alliance have already beaten you, with one having beaten Gonad himself, but keep talking.

Now truth be told I have seen one of your fights before, but that was only because you actively fought someone else in another thread I'd joined-

So, ladies and gentlemen, as you can see, our little friend Negatomsk isn't just making excuses, he's outright lying, and very badly I might add. That other thread? The character used was the Magna Pater, not Gonad, as can be seen in the link below. Looks like Negatomsk's friends are every bit as slimy as he is, but keep in mind I never lost this fight. It was undecided because the thread ended due to the cancer.

https://www.roleplayerguild.com/topics/93584-dark-god-darko-welcomes-challangers/ooc?page=3

So, yes. @Negatomsk, I've been keeping track of your chain of lies.

Would you like me to read your thread over & tell you what I think?

- Lust.

You NEVER said it was a condition to have no judge. All you said was that you'd have "preferred not to have one". 'Prefer' as a word does not imply the implementation of a strict condition, you logic twisting trash.

It was a stated preference, one you never denied, specifically seeing as it was made in direct response to Pollen weighing in.

If you had a problem with that concern, you were more than free to do so at any point before the start of the fight, you sanctimonious ass. If you were never going to honor my request you should have made it perfectly clear from the start, and while prefer does not imply the implementation if a strict condition, common fucking sense states if you tell a waiter you'd prefer a booth to a table they're either going to lead you at a booth or explicitly tell you they can't. For your failure to object to my request you led me to the booth.

@Doc Doctor

By the way, Doc, what's it called when you flee from the battlefield in the wake of a ready opponent, like Pater did from Starfall?

Finished thread or not, that's a fucking defeat, sir.

Would you like me to read your thread over & tell you what I think?

- Lust.

No. Out. Like I sent the rest of them.

@Negatomsk

Nice taunt. Does my heart good to see that you've reached the point of simply tossing petty provocations my way. Why don't you provide the post where I fled the fight? Oh right, you can't because I didn't flee. I resigned because I was derailing the thread by fighting everyone, and decided to not be a bigger ass to the host than I already was.

Now let's have another repost of your fibs, which are on topic for the resolution of this thread and not a different one.

@Negatomsk

It seems the core of your argument is that Lobo's costume can absorb and redistribute force. If that's the case, I do believe I'm justified in calling a checkmate, with all due respect.

Keep in mind that the only description of Lobo's costume existing in regards to physical damage is a "heavy resistance", nothing about the mechanics of that resistance. Now, the heavy shit.

Remember before our fight, you brought up my match with Sky? I told you in no uncertain terms that...

Sky had kinetic dampening, absorbtion, and dissipation that was an explicit ability of his. I flat out told you that the Beardforce should have broken his bones anyways, so you can't claim that Lobo could have endured the headbutt. Like I said, I don't enjoy being 'that guy', but in a ranked match I'm plenty more strict.

In every way, shape, and form, I have made it clear that Gonad isn't supposed to be fought as if he were a traditional martial artist. He's a physical monster, whose blows I have genuinely likened to swords and maces being used on a normal human in his profile.
Lobo took the hit, and that hit is absolutely a knockout blow.

Now, keeping in mind the above, check this out.

I mentioned that two of our members have beaten you, I never mentioned which two. You assumed I meant Sky, you assumed I'd read his fight, so don't go putting words in my mouth or knowledge in my head.

So you didn't mean Sky? Then by all means enlighten me. I'm genuinely curious. During my year and a half on this site, I've only ever lost twice, both times intentional. Sky was one of them, so prove me wrong. I dare you. I double dog dare you. Either way I mentioned Sky in the post immediately after the one where I stated that the Beardforce could break bones through such defenses.

I went easy on your friend, and accomodated him to an incredible extent. He'd have lost in a single action if I had been more insistent on the function of Gonad's beardforce. Broken knuckles from the blocked punch, a broken wrist from the awkward way he tried to block the bear slap.

Pretty big talk considering two members of the alliance have already beaten you, with one having beaten Gonad himself, but keep talking.

Now truth be told I have seen one of your fights before, but that was only because you actively fought someone else in another thread I'd joined-

So, ladies and gentlemen, as you can see, our little friend Negatomsk isn't just making excuses, he's outright lying, and very badly I might add. That other thread? The character used was the Magna Pater, not Gonad, as can be seen in the link below. Looks like Negatomsk's friends are every bit as slimy as he is, but keep in mind I never lost this fight. It was undecided because the thread ended due to the cancer.

https://www.roleplayerguild.com/topics/93584-dark-god-darko-welcomes-challangers/ooc?page=3

I'm sorry. You resigned in the middle of combat. That's also a loss.

And my provocations are petty... from the one slinging classics like logic twisting trash.

You're already in the mud, too late to take the high ground.

And you're still dodging me.

Naw, you're dodging me. Anyone who wants to see the truth can check the link for the Pater's scrap, and that's all I'll say about that. I'll keep posting evidence of your deceit, you keep on trying to change the subject. I'll take that trade.

AGAIN!

Would prefer no judge at all. Win-or-loss I've never needed one.

But that's neither here nor there, seeing as you still haven't responded to my earlier assertion: you never denied my request for this fight to go unjudged, which was a condition for joining this fight, the same as my so-called tacit acceptance of everything in your sheet.

You NEVER said it was a condition to have no judge. All you said was that you'd have "preferred not to have one". 'Prefer' as a word does not imply the implementation of a strict condition, you logic twisting trash.

@Negatomsk

It seems the core of your argument is that Lobo's costume can absorb and redistribute force. If that's the case, I do believe I'm justified in calling a checkmate, with all due respect.

Keep in mind that the only description of Lobo's costume existing in regards to physical damage is a "heavy resistance", nothing about the mechanics of that resistance. Now, the heavy shit.

Remember before our fight, you brought up my match with Sky? I told you in no uncertain terms that...

Sky had kinetic dampening, absorbtion, and dissipation that was an explicit ability of his. I flat out told you that the Beardforce should have broken his bones anyways, so you can't claim that Lobo could have endured the headbutt. Like I said, I don't enjoy being 'that guy', but in a ranked match I'm plenty more strict.

In every way, shape, and form, I have made it clear that Gonad isn't supposed to be fought as if he were a traditional martial artist. He's a physical monster, whose blows I have genuinely likened to swords and maces being used on a normal human in his profile.
Lobo took the hit, and that hit is absolutely a knockout blow.

Now, keeping in mind the above, check this out.

I mentioned that two of our members have beaten you, I never mentioned which two. You assumed I meant Sky, you assumed I'd read his fight, so don't go putting words in my mouth or knowledge in my head.

So you didn't mean Sky? Then by all means enlighten me. I'm genuinely curious. During my year and a half on this site, I've only ever lost twice, both times intentional. Sky was one of them, so prove me wrong. I dare you. I double dog dare you. Either way I mentioned Sky in the post immediately after the one where I stated that the Beardforce could break bones through such defenses.

I went easy on your friend, and accomodated him to an incredible extent. He'd have lost in a single action if I had been more insistent on the function of Gonad's beardforce. Broken knuckles from the blocked punch, a broken wrist from the awkward way he tried to block the bear slap.

Pretty big talk considering two members of the alliance have already beaten you, with one having beaten Gonad himself, but keep talking.

Now truth be told I have seen one of your fights before, but that was only because you actively fought someone else in another thread I'd joined-

So, ladies and gentlemen, as you can see, our little friend Negatomsk isn't just making excuses, he's outright lying, and very badly I might add. That other thread? The character used was the Magna Pater, not Gonad, as can be seen in the link below. Looks like Negatomsk's friends are every bit as slimy as he is, but keep in mind I never lost this fight. It was undecided because the thread ended due to the cancer.

https://www.roleplayerguild.com/topics/93584-dark-god-darko-welcomes-challangers/ooc?page=3

Suppose we'll just keep talking past each other then.

@Negatomsk

I don't like the way this is proceeding either, but I do detect a recurring theme. I simply could not get along with Starfall (she's the one roleplayer I find past redemption), I had difficulty getting to understand Everret, and now with you, I find myself in a similar situation. We both have our groupies, our home teams, and I should think that between your guys and my guys, there's some kind of gap in communication, like what occured in the tournament thread resulting in the Luchalliance leaving en masse. I had a similar experence with Melon, and it took a half year, perhaps longer, for us to resolve our differences.

Why exactly is this? Are there alternate standards, customs? I do not know, but I try to keep an open mind. Try, at least.

I won't budge on my opinions concerning this fight, I spent many hours in contemplation and gave found no room to stretch where my emotes are concerned, but I can prove quite flexible when it comes to making amends. We can agree to disagree, and disagree with no more snark, sarcasm, or my favorite, trash talk. More debating likely won't end well, at least. We got our shots in, now cooling down might be best.

So , I'll be the first to say, sorry for calling you trash, among other nasty things.

You two. Both out too. I'll go over it and provide judgement. At some point probably when I get a new phone so you'll both be waiting. Neither of you will probably like it.

I implore you both to play nice in the future, or stay away from each other. This devolved into a shitfest bigger than anything I've seen in a while. They already have a bad rap for us, and this is doing it absolutely no favors - at all.

Been watching this thread for a while and agree that it has gotten to a point where moderator interaction is needed. Seeing that Rilla has warned you two—and a few others—several times, I will now be locking the thread until he can make a decision on how to handle this dispute.

Let me refer you to Our Moderation Policy which states that "We warn once, we ban once" and our Rules to which some of you have seem to have forgotten. I will not tolerate any additional misconduct from the members who have posted within this thread.

~ NuttsnBolts

@Negatomsk @Doc Doctor

The roleplay is now unlocked after 24 hours in case yall want to do something with it.

@Mahz

Not particularly. Did want to address something.

We both have our groupies, our home teams, and I should think that between your guys and my guys, there's some kind of gap in communication, like what occured in the tournament thread resulting in the Luchalliance leaving en masse. I had a similar experence with Melon, and it took a half year, perhaps longer, for us to resolve our differences.

Why exactly is this? Are there alternate standards, customs? I do not know, but I try to keep an open mind. Try, at least.

This here, it hit me, as to why there has been such a problem here. There are alternate standards, set between you and everyone else here.

See, I had a character here who could match any force leveled against her, much like the Beardforce does for Gonad, but when I tried to apply with her -- as seen here here -- I was told that that same power was broken because she could scale without limit... And yet here you are doing far more than that, scaling your power instantly at a glance, with no one batting an eye.

DLL was told his character's ability to replicate the powers of others after thorough observation was too powerful for the TZ tournament, and yet the Beardforce is able to so thoroughly analyze the abilities of Gonad's foes to blow through any and all of their defenses, somehow with sheer power alone. Tez believes that El Rey was also on the road to rejection for a power scaling ability but never even got a response despite submitting one of the first profiles.

My initial defense was ruled untenable because I had failed to list a specific, real world martial art from which I took it (not a new, unlisted supernatural power, but an application of Tai Chi)... if that's how it works so be it, but as others have said, we use our profiles as guidelines, within common sense, where here they serve as an end-all, be-all.

The frustration of that new limitation coupled with the double standards in acceptable abilities indeed the starting point of frustration, and the reason I also refused to budge. Never before in my roleplaying career have I encountered such an insane ability that worked without observation, with information that is either literally unavailable anywhere else but the character profile, or else ignoring that information, no matter how ridiculous the outcome. For that reason I erred on what I felt was common sense, and adjusted accordingly.

I'm in no mood to continue this battle under any circumstances, either way. My vote would be to strike the whole mess and be done with it. If that doesn't sit then do what you will with it.

@Negatomsk
Hey, don't bring me into this. My world of war event was a good example of the separation of power levels and tier. A baseline of 100 tons of lifting weight was unacceptable as a high tier, not because of her ability to scale up.

@LeeRoy

...never mentioned you, was primarily focused on showing the character. You outed yourself.

@Negatomsk
Hey, don't bring me into this. My world of war event was a good example of the separation of power levels and tier. A baseline of 100 tons of lifting weight was unacceptable as a high tier, not because of her ability to scale up.

No sir. No sir. Out.

@Negatomsk

I understand what you're getting at, and there are indeed ways in which Gonad is overpowered. In consideration of you, and of others, I'll ellaborate on a few things I rarely speak of.

There are ways to defend against the Beardforce, but you have to have the mentality of a low or human tier fighter to properly grasp the ways to do it. Think of it as a fight between highly trained swordsmen. In a real swordfight, often it's over in just a few seconds. Why? Because humans are squishy flesh and blood creatures that, when not powered up, can't really survive a lot of things. It depends on who lands the finishing blow first. It's against the rules to nerf other characters, so instead Gonad just gets buffed to the point where the fight can be potentially decided by a single stroke.

The balance comes into play when you realize that Gonad is a huge meaty target too. Even more of a balancing factor? Gonad's weapons are vulnerable.

What if you could wound someone by chopping at their sword? If Gonad throws a kick, you can cut his leg off. You can stab his fist, slash tendons. The bracers help, but that's just forearms and nothing else. Gonad's offense is particularly vulnerable to being crippled. In addition, he has to get close to fight. He can run down opponents, but there are ways to hinder Gonad, and he doesn't always have a convenient canvas to fling around as temporary cover in a confined space.

Those are his main weaknesses, now I'll aknowlege why he's able to hold such a huge advantage over nearly everyone.

Grabbing and the striking points of Muay Thai. Most characters typically wield two true weapons at most in CQC. Gonad has at least nine, allowing him to counter attack much more consistently than others. Head, two hands, two elbows, two knees, two feet, known also as the points of striking in street Muay Thai. Even one-armed. He still has seven different tools to score a fast win with.

Gonad's grab should be considered a death sentence, as it restricts both the opponent's offense and defence, keeps them in close range, and opens up the potential to manipulate their body through grappling techniques.

All of these factors are rarely taken into account when someone unfamiliar with Gonad rises to the challenge. Yes, I agree, Gonad's style is meant to wrench fighters out of their comfort zone and force them to take me on my way, which us heavily weighted in Gonad's favor due to his raw strength and immense potential for counter attacks.

Replication permits stalemates, as does equalisation of force. Beardforce works differently, equalising durability and offense not to stalemate, but to make for a very, very short fight when I'm dead serious about going for a win. My opponents rarely foresee all of these factors, don't take into account how much practice I have with Gonad (my oldest character) and so frequently think they should stand a significant chance of winning in close quarters, which they really don't. It's because of how their own experience tells them that they should at least be able to make a single move without being fatally punished.

Gonad has always been my ace because of this, because of how, yes indeed, the way a fight proceeds under the influence of the Beardforce is extremely tricky and potentially outright one-sided. All I have to do is make a good approach and coerce my opponent into staying near Gonad. In your case, I broadcast how deadly it would have been to retreat. "Retreat is doom", I believe. Standing your ground is much worse though. I use Gonad's tells and aura to mindgame others into doing what I want them to do, in case you haven't already seen past my tricks. Not powerplaying or metagaming, but the power of suggestion.
What's more, if you'll notice, many of Gonad's actions I described from Lobo's point of view. Another mindgame meant to subliminally make someone feel limited in the ways they can respond.

I hope this explanation helps for reference, allowing future opponents of Gonad to better understand why fights with him progress in such an unorthodox fashion. I was count on all of these factors to give me a hidden, but legal, one-up over the competition. Legal here, that is. Where you come from Negatimsk, I doubt the Beardforce would've been allowed. Character profiles must list all abilities, but around here at least, that doesn't mean I have to go in-depth about how those abilities precisely influence the fight when combined with the character's fighting, and my writing, styles.