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Voting someone who assaults journalists is also contemptible.


You might even call it deplorable.

What the incident says to me is that the Guardian -- I misspoke, it was not a CNN reporter but a Guardian reporter -- is not particularly popular in Montana. We can attribute that to whatever you like, but at some point the journalists whose job it is to inform the people have to start asking themselves why nobody respects them anymore. I don't think it has anything to do with hating the gays. The news today is naked punditry -- investigative, expository coverage is left to the 400-pound hackers lurking 4chan.

And we're suing them, because they're getting in the way of the punditry.
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You might even call it deplorable.


It is entirely deplorable, I agree. People are welcome to their opinions about the quality of coverage, but an attack on a reporter ought be an immediately disqualifying incident. The majority of the American people don't trust politicians either, but that is no excuse for attacking someone who is doing a job essential to the function of a democratic society.
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It is entirely deplorable, I agree. People are welcome to their opinions about the quality of coverage, but an attack on a reporter ought be an immediately disqualifying incident. The majority of the American people don't trust politicians either, but that is no excuse for attacking someone who is doing a job essential to the function of a democratic society.


Tell that to Kathy Griffin. (google it)
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@mdk Seeing as I have an internet I have already seen the Kathy Griffin thing. I'm glad that they booted her for it, that was the appropriate reaction by CNN or whoever it is she was associated with. Convictions shouldn't change with ideological affiliation.

In any case it hardly excuses condoning the actions of someone who assaulted a reporter.
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I mean yeah. But I'm not from Montana so my opinion doesn't really count, in this case. Montana seems to think that was not disqualifying.

You know, the way the DNC didn't think felonious mishandling of classified information, perjury, enabling a serial rapist, and an active FBI investigation (and sprinkle in a few political murders), WHILE losing the popular vote in the primary, weren't disqualifying for Clinton's presidential run. That's their call and I respect it, kinda I guess.
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@mdk oh I don't think my opinion matters to the people of Montana. My opinion doesn't matter to anyone politically but it does make me view them in a negative light. In fact I'll go so far as to say that anyone who thinks assault is funny or laudable is pretty pathetic.
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@mdk oh I don't think my opinion matters to the people of Montana. My opinion doesn't matter to anyone politically but it does make me view them in a negative light. In fact I'll go so far as to say that anyone who thinks assault is funny or laudable is pretty pathetic.


And yet they're the winners. Someone ran a campaign poorly enough to lose to THAT GUY.
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@mdk Maybe the other guy ate a baby on stage or something. I seem to recall he was a folk singer that performed at a nudist colony once or some other offense against Jesus or Ronald Regan.
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EDIT: all of these things are entertaining, except mike cernovitch, hes a fucking tool.
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CNN is a fucking joke. Is trashing CNN from now on "mildly political?" It's all I feel like doing.
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@VilageidiotxSo to veer away from the topic a little, I noticed that you have somehow more posts than me and ive actually been on here two days longer.

How in the fuck did that happen, Ive never seen you post anywhere but here and occasionally spam, do you even roleplay? I'm starting to think you are only on this site to critique my memes and passively endorse communism.


I came here with a specific RP, alongside @Dinh AaronMk and a dozen or so other people. That RP died last year though. I used to be pretty active in spam, but I haven't been consistently active in a while because I've been busy.
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CNN is a fucking joke. Is trashing CNN from now on "mildly political?" It's all I feel like doing.


Please do. They're such a garbage network it's amazing that even 33% of people find them trustworthy.
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I suppose the idea of the editorial is dead to discerning consumers of journalism then.
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discerning consumers of journalism


Fake news!
The media is the enemy of the American people!
Lame stream media!
Reality has a liberal bias!

and so on.
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@Dark Wind@mdk I'd love to know what network/site/paper you consider reliable news.

Ive got no problem shitting on CNN, but you sort of begin to lose credibility if you think infowars, rebel media or fox news are the trustworthy alternatives.

@Dinh AaronMk Do you read the Daily Communist or something?
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@Dark Wind@mdk I'd love to know what network/site/paper you consider reliable news.

Ive got no problem shitting on CNN, but you sort of begin to lose credibility if you think infowars, rebel media or fox news are the trustworthy alternatives.


I get my news from BBC, and I read Fox News for flavor. Fox is absolutely more trustworthy than CNN, but that's not really the point -- I don't think anybody should trust their news source. If you trust them, they're getting shit past you. I used to read exclusively CNN, but they became unbearable over the last six months and I've had to turn 'em off entirely.

Anyway the proper response to a news article is "Really? Is THAT what you think? Lemme see about that." BBC gives me that, plus some really good (often agenda-driven, but hey) journalism. CNN gives me that "oh for fuck's sake" attitude (like when they write about how it's racist to withdraw from the Paris Accord) and that's not getting me anywhere.

In general, I recommend that people should get their news from somebody they dislike but can tolerate. This approach keeps you informed without playing into your own bias.
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@Dark Wind@mdk I'd love to know what network/site/paper you consider reliable news.

Ive got no problem shitting on CNN, but you sort of begin to lose credibility if you think infowars, rebel media or fox news are the trustworthy alternatives.


It's hard to consider anything 100% reliable.

Jeez, InfoWars, I haven't watched that for like two or three years. Not anything against them or Alex Jones because there is good information you can grab from there.

Anyway, I browse Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, the New Yorker, Breitbart, Daily Wire, Drudge, RT, sometimes a little bit of Rebel.

Also, becoming an increasing fan of 1791L's YouTube content. The way he speaks/colors his coverage with tone and wording is certainly a bit slanted against the CNN viewpoint. However, I do find that he discusses content on a significantly less superficial layer.



My single law is to trust no one, but if the thoroughly researched and less conveniently twist-able evidence supports a perspective then it might be worth to support or look into that perspective and see if it holds water. Listen to all, and then begin to thread together the scattered pieces on your own.
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Ive got no problem shitting on CNN, but you sort of begin to lose credibility if you think infowars, rebel media or fox news are the trustworthy alternatives.


They all have different markets, which is the important thing to pay attention too. I think it is a general rule that any market-driven media is going to be little more than what gets people to consume it. CNN is trying for a general market, so they use tabloid tactics. Fox focuses specifically on grabbing the conservative market, so they have to spin everything to fit the mood of the conservative movement. You can grab any major market network and do the same sort of math.

Hence why BBC tends to be brought up so much as the standard. BBC is state funded and therefore doesn't have the profit motive (even NPR and PBS, America's public media, rely largely on donations and therefore have to cater to their donors). Considering that Britain is a decently functioning liberal society, the state doesn't abuse their media arm in the same way that a dictatorship would.

It is important too, I think, that we remember that the current state of the media is the norm for the United States, and the stuff we look back nostalgically at is the exception. Back in the newspaper days, the media was ridiculously partisan to the point that Breitbart is almost a return home rather than a radical step outside the norm. There is a period, starting with radio and ending with cable, when media became more "Honorable" because the nature of the medium reduced the effect of market forces, since there was limited space for broadcast media to operate and they didn't have to compete quite as hard. With their market shares sort of inevitable, they could afford to nurture journalism, as opposed to CNN or Fox, where journalism would either bore or offend their respectful markets.

So going back to where we started, the best media sources are naturally going to be well-funded public media allowed to act independently of the state, or those few basic agencies that have cornered the neutral news market and peddle primarily on reputation, which is, like, Reuters and AP basically. With everything else you gotta figure their main concern is catering to an audience and any honest journalism that comes out of that rises accidentally.

The internet, of course, has propelled the market problem way the fuck out of proportion. Journalism takes shit loads of effort, but throwing up a video of your face making ideological arguments is easy as fuck, as is making an unsourced infograph. And since doing either of these things is incredibly effective on the internet, we're starting to see memes legitimately replace some of the market functions of the news, which is all kinds of fucking bizarre.
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