@Andreyich@mdk How are you both just going to ignore neo-colonialism though.

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Just because Morgan freeman and the black science man exist that doesn't mean it's not hard for minorities to achieve their full potential and while tumblr-tards exaggerate it """institutional racism""" is still present, even if it's more or less unnoticeable.

all racists are idiots, and therefore have not read those books or know about history well enough.....

I am pretty cool and smart,

Racism comes from ignorance.

Fine, I'll accept racist since I am prejudiced to other races and prejudice against a certain race is more or less how racism is defined..

My point is the American Dream is totally achievable.

No one should be penalized for making money and becoming successful. It's a ludicrous idea.

My point is the American Dream is totally achievable.

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Asia: Hong Kong should be an instant case-closed; Korean peninsula should be an instant case-closed; Taiwan, Singapore, Japan...

Africa: South Africa, UAE.... but honestly show me success of ANYTHING in Africa, ya know, so like.... anyway Egypt does alright, Qatar makes money, etc.

Latin America: Well the Cartels....

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My point is the American Dream is totally achievable.

see also: that's not "the black science man," wtf, that's Don Lemon. (edit: right, right, not US-based, I knew that, sorry)

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Echh, this sounds a bit like the law of the jungle tbh. If it is determined that your success is a detriment to your society, then it is reasonable to curb that success. The purpose of a government by the people is that we as a group determine what produces the greatest benefit to the group with the least harm to individual interests. This balancing act is true for pretty much everyone but the most nutty an-cap. The illegality of a ponzi scheme, for instance, is public regulation that curbs the success of an individual for the benefit of the masses.

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Upward mobility in itself isn't new, it has existed since the days of Imhotep. That the US and democratic values in general has improved upward mobility from where it was before is absolutely true, but this doesn't mean we have reached the peak. We should do everything we can as a society to ensure that none of our talent gets wasted trying to clear basic hurdles in poverty. That means keeping social stratification from ossifying and creating some sort of neo-feudal situation like what happened to, say, the Romans.

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Echh, this sounds a bit like the law of the jungle tbh. If it is determined that your success is a detriment to your society, then it is reasonable to curb that success. The purpose of a government by the people is that we as a group determine what produces the greatest benefit to the group with the least harm to individual interests. This balancing act is true for pretty much everyone but the most nutty an-cap. The illegality of a ponzi scheme, for instance, is public regulation that curbs the success of an individual for the benefit of the masses.

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Upward mobility in itself isn't new, it has existed since the days of Imhotep. That the US and democratic values in general has improved upward mobility from where it was before is absolutely true, but this doesn't mean we have reached the peak. We should do everything we can as a society to ensure that none of our talent gets wasted trying to clear basic hurdles in poverty. That means keeping social stratification from ossifying and creating some sort of neo-feudal situation like what happened to, say, the Romans.

"These two people have achieved the dream so that means anyone and everyone can."

That the US and democratic values in general has improved upward mobility from where it was before is absolutely true, but this doesn't mean we have reached the peak.

It is achievable, that doesn't mean it's realistically achievable, or in essence what darcs posted.

Everyone's favorite guild pervert @dynamo frokane has been reported multiple times for asking way too many personal things to girls in their dm's and nothing has been done about him.

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With precious few exceptions, yes, anyone and everyone can.

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Well that's part of the dream, innit? There is no "peak." We just keep building.

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So it's, what, "unrealistically achievable" in your estimation? I'm doing it right now.

@Andreyich Again how would restrictions like that even work? Like how about the restriction that any business that gets over 50 employees (part/full doesn't matter) needs to provide health insurance. That's a restriction that stunts growth, how would YOU make that rule justifiable? Add a 0? Add two? Then ask yourself Why on earth would anyone hire that many people?

Restrictions only hurt small businesses. Try to purposefully screw the bigger ones, and they'll move somewhere that won't. People seem to assume ones with no power can try to bully those that worked for a living and took a risk, they'll leave and you'll only make everyone worse off as a result. We have one of the highest corporate tax rates...

Like eating the rich, and bar stool economics should have taught by now. Making the rich "pay", for being wealthy. Is just greed and it doesn't lead to any actual positive results.

People becoming rich, doesn't hurt the poor. They do not correlate. It is not reasonable at all. If having "uber" rich people was only/solely due to negatively effecting the rest of society, our poor would not be doing better than the average global middle class. :/