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Did you ever critique my guns by the way?
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On the contrary, the New Mexico is connected to the Rocky Mountains, so it can get quite cold, and in northern New Mexico there is large swaths of forest land.

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Did you ever critique my guns by the way?


I did not, actually. I think the word "Sample" caused me to gloss over it, since you were the GM.



Now that I have gotten past my unnecessarily long explanation of my opinion on personal choice of pistol calibers...



Anyway, next option.



As for your choice of shotgun, I am a big fan of Benelli's semi-auto series, except for their price. This is a very expensive shotgun, and stands out considerably among your collection, because most of the other guns are priced on the lower-end of the spectrum. A Mossberg 930 would be much cheaper and still effective as a semi-auto shotgun if you want to stay along the same theme for your characters. Or you could always just make up a very valid reason to have it, or not, it really doesn't matter- just an observation.

... If anyone wants to know, I've done a tour in Afghanistan, spent 3 years with a Long Range Surveillance (LRS) company (we're bad-ass airborne infantry, just ask us /kind-of-sort-of-not-really sarcasm) and I currently serve as an engineer with the national guard. I've built one AR-15 (in .300 BLK, of course), and I'm currently building my second (in 6.5 Grendel), and my night job is selling guns.
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On the contrary, the New Mexico is connected to the Rocky Mountains, so it can get quite cold, and in northern New Mexico there is large swaths of forest land.

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Huh, learn something new every day, I guess.
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Oh! And don't ever get a rifle chambered in 5.56 "because in the case of the apocalypse, everybody else has the same thing, so ammo will be everywhere!"

... If you find ammo laying around, you know what else is probably within the vicinity? A firearm chambered in that caliber. No one is going to take a dead guy's AR-15, but leave all of his ammo for the next guy to grab. If you scavenge ammo, you're also scavenging guns, so no need to get the most popular offering just because it's compatible. There will be no shortage of compatible weapon systems.
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God und Himmel. That is a lot. I might go straight for 10mm- they're both pretty strong, they'd prefer the extra stopping power, and can handle the kick. Carry people out of buildings, don'tchaknow.

As for the rest... AR in 5.56, of course. Old faithful. Remmy is in the classic British .303, whilst the Benelli is expensive, it's a Birthday gift from Trixie, so it was a splurge item.
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I like it. :D
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Please see the Application notes before reading this on the previouse page. I dont want anyone to get annoyed as to why ive done things.

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I am super-duper sorry, Banzai. I love LWRC's stuff, and I was a huge fan of their move into the piston world, but you're gonna have a bad time with an LWRC piston gun after a few thousand rounds. LWRC does not use a BCG/buffer-tube combo that prevents carrier tilt, and after a while, that BCG is going to be scraping against the base of the buffer tube. It might not be a deal breaker for you, but if you're planning on getting them for their durability... In the real world, you would be disappointed after a while.

In addition, the 6.8 SPC does not use .40 casings, not even close. the .40 casing is way way way too short to accomodate the 6.8 round, not to mention the 6.8 is 6.8 mm and the .40 is 10mm in diameter. The 6.8 SPC and SPC II use the .30 Remington case.

I love the Sig 716 DMR :) They solved the carrier tilt problem by using a proprietary BCG design that floats the bcg over the buffer tube floor.
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Oh! And don't ever get a rifle chambered in 5.56 "because in the case of the apocalypse, everybody else has the same thing, so ammo will be everywhere!"

... If you find ammo laying around, you know what else is probably within the vicinity? A firearm chambered in that caliber. No one is going to take a dead guy's AR-15, but leave all of his ammo for the next guy to grab. If you scavenge ammo, you're also scavenging guns, so no need to get the most popular offering just because it's compatible. There will be no shortage of compatible weapon systems.


This comment alone.

Made my day.
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I am super-duper sorry, Banzai. I love LWRC's stuff, and I was a huge fan of their move into the piston world, but you're gonna have a bad time with an LWRC piston gun after a few thousand rounds. LWRC does not use a BCG/buffer-tube combo that prevents carrier tilt, and after a while, that BCG is going to be scraping against the base of the buffer tube. It might not be a deal breaker for you, but if you're planning on getting them for their durability... In the real world, you would be disappointed after a while.

In addition, the 6.8 SPC does not use .40 casings, not even close. the .40 casing is way way way too short to accomodate the 6.8 round, not to mention the 6.8 is 6.8 mm and the .40 is 10mm in diameter. The 6.8 SPC and SPC II use the .30 Remington case.

I love the Sig 716 DMR :) They solved the carrier tilt problem by using a proprietary BCG design that floats the bcg over the buffer tube floor.


I thought that both the 6.8 and .40 and 10mm came from the... taka taka
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.30_Remington
So you can neck down any larger into a smaller. But not in reverse. That dog wont hunt.

Yes, i was aware that carrier tilt was a general problem plaguing ARs, i thought i'd get away with it for a while and didnt want to make the budget list into indevidual rifle components, thats why i included a littel redundancy, but HEY! I have a CNC that can make carrier shims or whatever.

I notice you hate the .40 :) i dont. And i think ive stolen a bit of a march on you. Heres my thinking. No Civilian or police pistol caliber will penetrate body armour these days. So what do they have to penetrate? A glass windshield for a start. So what do you do when your using a 9mm? Go up to 147 grain so it penetrates and doesnt dowhateveritdoes? But the 9mm loses some of its appealing characteristics when its as heavy as 147, range for one. Do you know what round has all the benefits and none of the drawbacks? Its the .357sig! ofco... i mean the .40+P! The .40 already has a projectile thats ~145gr and can fit enough powder to make sure it goes through that glass/wood/cardoor. Infact with a .40 you can make it replicate any caliber from a 9 to .357sig to light 10mm load, without having to switch platforms. I dont hate the .40! I hate the 9!
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Alright folks. You can put the firearm dicks away- no need to bring out the rulers as well.
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I thought that both the 6.8 and .40 and 10mm came from the... taka taka
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.30_Remington
So you can neck down any larger into a smaller. But not in reverse. That dog wont hunt.

Yes, i was aware that carrier tilt was a general problem plaguing ARs, i thought i'd get away with it for a while and didnt want to make the budget list into indevidual rifle components, thats why i included a littel redundancy, but HEY! I have a CNC that can make carrier shims or whatever.

I notice you hate the .40 :) i dont. And i think ive stolen a bit of a march on you. Heres my thinking. No Civilian or police pistol caliber will penetrate body armour these days. So what do they have to penetrate? A glass windshield for a start. So what do you do when your using a 9mm? Go up to 147 grain so it penetrates and doesnt dowhateveritdoes? But the 9mm loses some of its appealing characteristics when its as heavy as 147, range for one. Do you know what round has all the benefits and none of the drawbacks? Its the .357sig! ofco... i mean the .40+P! The .40 already has a projectile thats ~145gr and can fit enough powder to make sure it goes through that glass/wood/cardoor. Infact with a .40 you can make it replicate any caliber from a 9 to .357sig to light 10mm load, without having to switch platforms. I dont hate the .40! I hate the 9!


You are right about the .40 and the 10mm and the 6.8 SPC! I am so sorry. Please forgive my ignorance. I hadn't done my due diligence on the 6.8 SPC except to know that it came in SPC and SPC II and that it was better at close range than the 6.5 Grendel but worse at long range. I did some digging, and you are right- both are made from the .30 Remington. I am so sorry for putting my foot in my mouth, and I genuinely appreciate the opportunity to educate myself. Well done, sir.

And I will agree that the .40 is versatile (much like my .300 BLK), but I still can't get over the lack of magazine capacity and muzzle flip for the tiny boost in power (in factory ammo, hand-loading is another story, but you reload other calibers to better powers as well). I actually like a 154gr Federal HST round in a +P 9mm for most of the work I feel I need to do. And if I think I'm going to need penetration, I stagger in 124gr FMJ loads. If I want range, I'll bring out my .300 BLK SBR.

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Alright folks. You can put the firearm dicks away- no need to bring out the rulers as well.


I don't think you have to worry, Irredeemable. I don't think he seems the type to get butt-hurt about someone disagreeing with his opinion, and I'm certainly not, nor am I one to argue a point when I can just do some research and discover that I'm wrong and admit to it. In fact, judging from Banzai's comments, we seem to complement each other well in our different tastes.

Also, Banzai, did you see Sig came out with a 716 DMR chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor? Thought you might enjoy that if you hadn't.
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Its all good man. You seem like the sort of chap who actually remains balanced when he evaluates stuff.

No i didnt spot the 6.5 Creedmore. I dont know much about the round but i did see they had a springfield M1A in it now which i reviewed as a candidate for my M-LMG. It lost out because the M1A cant have a full auto trigger pack dropped in.

I also respect you for choosing the 6.5 grendel because 6mm rounds rock, we're of very similar thinking. The x39russian cartridge is quite common in the US, there are, like, 7 manufacturers of it so you'll never have to import. But the only reason i chose the 6.8 is due to using the same STANAG magazines as the .223, there is way more research into those and how they behave and making them reliable.

Yeah, some of my guys may end up aquiring some 9mm 154gr weapons in that case. What do you carry it in?
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Is my charsheet approved?

Oh and btw the gunstuff will calm down as soon as we get underway.
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The big thing about the 6.5 Creed is its ballistic coefficient. It shoots flatter, but it also has better wind resistance than the .308. It's more popular among precision shooters, but it does have slightly less terminal performance than the .308.

accuracy-tech.com/6-5-creedmoor-vs-30…

The Sig 716 DMR in 6.5 Creedmoor Was just announced at SHOT show. I only know because it was in a video they had about the Sig MCX one-stamp integrally suppressed upper receiver that they also show-cased (if I didn't already own one, I might go that route, but they have a 6.75" barrel, and I really like 9" for my .300 BLK).

Right now I carry a Springfield XDM in a 9mm. I fell in love with the ergonomics of the grip and intuitive safety system, along with the fiber-optic front sight contrasted by the white rear sights. It has a 19-round magazine. Throw another one in my pocket, and I'm basically prepared to handle whatever comes my way. My next handgun purchase though (if it's not the Sig P365, because concealing a pistol with a 19-round magazine is a pain) is going to be a Sig Sauer P226 Tac Ops. I love the trigger feel of the double/single hammer-fired system and the de-cocker, along with the amazing way the grip feels in my palm and the four 20-round magazines that come standard with the pistol. If you can't tell, I have kind of become a Sig fanboy.
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Nevermind. I see now i was included in the list of people to move CS over.
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Damn! So much for being near everybody else!

Good call not taking my suggestion on Wyoming though :/

Edit: Also, I have to wonder if you guys with a ton of NPC's have ever played Overlord.
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Damn, we are scattered. NY, TX, NV, NE, wherever Oakwood is, and wherever the cult nut-jobs are.

Man... Super-Volcanoes and Nuclear war...





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Yeah, we're going to be flying solo in our own little stories for awhile, until someone's characters have the gumption to leave home so we can have interactions.
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