To be honest, even with invisibility, there is an Archer class servant. (And presence concealment isn't really invisibility. It's just that 99% of servants rely heavily on their natural ability to detect nearby servants that assassins just sneak on by. It's more like a fog of not paying attention.)

So an Archer class servant could do a good job of detecting enemies. I'll try to post with Mehmed placing some shots into a group of chimeras.

I guess I have to give this info out since you calling me on it but enemy caster was completely mauled by a similar creature at one point in full public view and no one saw his actual attacker he was just kind of mauled to death by some completely invisible enemy not even he saw coming. Those are not the same exact enemies merely copies made by Greys but he has imbued a similar attribute into these creatures. This isn't some round of the bout magecraft he's using its extremely potent actual magic.

As far as Rider's ability goes I intended it to be a kind of general "see through illusions" skill, with a bonus to seeing through illusions intended to disguise a person as something else due to the fact that the skill comes from the boon Athena gave Diomedes to see through the Gods disguising themselves as humans during the Trojan War.

It wouldn't help with presence concealment but if he was looking straight at someone I'd expect him to spot them. I suppose invisibility would count as an illusion to disguise oneself but the argument could be made that either because these are some kind of phantasmal beast and not a person, or because he can't actually see the illusion to see through it, he's at a disadvantage in this case.

@vancexentan I'm fine with these creatures being able to ambush us, but as has been said there have been a few attempts by our Servants to scout the forest, such as Archer's vision and Caster's zombie rat, that haven't been acknowledged. If they don't find anything that's fine, so long as the efforts are acknowledged and we are told that they failed.

As I said there's nothing in the nearby forest if you really find it to be the case ill remove the ones in front I just wanted a quick fight.

I don't think this is a fight worth haggling over, it should be fine. The zombie rat is a good point, though. I believe Caster was sending it in headlong to see when and how it would die, so if it didn't find anything it would have come out the other side of the forest or made it to the enemy base somehow.

To be honest, I'm glad we're getting a fight. So I'll be replying once I finish some other things I have to do.

I'll handle that when it becomes important I just wanted everyone a chance at some action I'm not feelin' all that great due to lack of sleep, and poor sleep. For reference I do not entirely regret it. I got Merlin in F/Go NA.

Alright I hope everyone had a good Christmas but we should get things back on track here if possible soon.

Irish are you going to post soon?

Irish are you going to post soon?

I'll get a post out tonight, sorry.

Also @Reflection, wanna reveal whether the deal was made later, or anything in particular for the geis scroll?

Lets just say that it was signed. We can discuss details later if you want.

Works for me.

alright on with the main course I suppose.

I'll post tomorrow possibly. I hope everyone has a good new years.

Well since there's not much happening right now I'd like to say that I managed to get both Merlin, and Musashi in Fate Grand Order and got Zhuge Liang/Waver from my guaranteed SSR Summon. My account went from buster berserker to high tier pretty quick. Managed to even get them both within 130 quartz each. I didn't summon for Merlin since Nerofest in August. Tried to roll Gil, and Ishtar but got nothin from them. So lucks lookin up. Aiming for King Hassan next.

Only down side? I'm in mat hell. I have no materials to give to Musashi, and Waver. Merlin's Illusion skill is at 5 but its not a priority. Dick wizard took all my pages, and gears.

@The Irish Tree@Reflection@ManyThings

Guys we need posts. Manythings your last post was 21 days ago as of the time of this post.

I'll try and get a post out tomorrow. Been dealing with computer troubles.

Yes I'm on it too.