Hey Kho! I'm here by request and by courtesy. So a few people, myself included have brought up our confusion about Seedharem. She has thrown us for a loop and we aren't too sure what she is anymore. Idk, I guess me myself personally I was just underwhelmed from what I expected and what I got. I figured she was going to be some grand martial lady but instead I got a lot of hair play. I get it if you're working up to something but I figured it was only fair you heard my current feedback as you aren't in the discord chat.

@Kho ^

@Goldeagle1221@Scarifar I apologise if my introduction arc is a bit underwhelming! Seihdhara is indeed a mighty martial lady, but she also lives in the moment. Therefore my plot decisions have been very in the moment also. I have purposefully refrained from overplanning, focusing instead on her themes - her joy, the importance of her hair, etc. I also enjoy building up the small and seemingly irrelevant aspects of a character or their previous actions or events that have happened to them. So during her entrance she appears to have lost parts of her soul and her hair also. These have impacted the decisions she has made so far but have also had a tangible effect on her physical form - its weakness etc.

It is a character and story development arc. If the way I have gone about it has bewildered you and others or is not to the liking of everybody, then I am deeply apologetic.

@Muttonhawk @Cyclone @BBeast
I have edited the expenditure in the last post to the following:
--MIGHT & FP EXPENDITURE:
----Creation of the River Seihdhar across Kirron's continent - a minor landscape change. (-2 Free Points)
----Causing the River Seihdhar to run with Seihdhara's ichor rather than water. (-3 Free Points)
----Giving the River Seihdhar and the Seihdh Lake the properties detailed in the wiki page. (-6 Free Points)
----Making the Source of the River Seihdhar (the lower half of Seihdhara's corpse at the bottom of the Seihdh Lake) a Gateway to the Seal. (-7 Free Points)
0 MP & 0 FP Remaining

Please advise as to whether that is suitable.

@Kho If you died, who is god of intimacy?

@Scarescrow Not Adam that's for sure! That freak! When Seihdhara finds out he's the god of love she's gonna throw up. All over him.

edit: I'm joking. No one should bully Adam. He's a cutey really. Like a space slug.

@Muttonhawk @Cyclone @BBeast
I have edited the expenditure in the last post to the following:
--MIGHT & FP EXPENDITURE:
----Creation of the River Seihdhar across Kirron's continent - a minor landscape change. (-2 Free Points)
----Causing the River Seihdhar to run with Seihdhara's ichor rather than water. (-3 Free Points)
----Giving the River Seihdhar and the Seihdh Lake the properties detailed in the wiki page. (-6 Free Points)
----Making the Source of the River Seihdhar (the lower half of Seihdhara's corpse at the bottom of the Seihdh Lake) a Gateway to the Seal. (-7 Free Points)
0 MP & 0 FP Remaining

Please advise as to whether that is suitable.

Reading the wiki article, it appears that, essentially, the effect of the River Seihdhar is to Bless individuals with blessings appropriate to Martial Combat, plus a some extra pertaining to physical health (if it were entirely under Martial Combat, you could do it for free, but the physical health stuff pushes it just out of the Portfolio discount). I very much like the effects. There is an argument to be made that it can be even cheaper. 'Causing the River Seihdhar to run with Seihdhara's ichor rather than water' could be done as part of the other items rather than as a separate item, so that would save you 3 FP. Note also that the Seihdh Lake gains properties simply by being a Gateway to the Seal. There is no benchmark for something which has the properties you propose, so the number you propose for the properties is as good as any. 6 FP feels good. One could argue that it should fall under a Monument, which puts it at 3 FP but not necessarily powerful enough, but you could hand-wave and say that the River and Lake are separate yet similar and connected Monuments.

P.S. And making things from the chopped up remains of gods is a very traditional thing in mythologies, so it's good that we've got something similar here.

@BBeast You are right, I think making the river run with ichor can be subsumed under giving the Seihdh and Seihdhar the properties mentioned in the wiki article. I'll go with that and save 3 FP.
I would say that applying the Monument dynamic to the river and lake would be somewhat forced. While natural things (a tree for instance, or a hill) could easily fall under the Monument model, a river seems too vast to me and not quite destructible by non-divine or extreme magical means. In a similar way I wouldn't call a swamp a Monument if being in it confers blessings, or a cloud if being rained on by it has certain effects on land/people. To my mind, these fall under the more general '1+ Might: Perform some other godly feat.'
My reasoning for this is partly because to my mind artefacts and monuments ought to be of more immediate use to the god or gods who create them (e.g. a god could use the artefact themselves, or could benefit from the monument's effects). The Seihdh and Seihdhar, however, don't confer any immediate benefits on Seihdhara, but are aesthetically and symbolically nice and have some benefits for mortals, and they will likely have some interesting impact on the cultures and civilisations that grow about them. Maybe I'm overly limiting what Monuments are, but that's my two pence!

Now regarding the river and the lake being two separate bodies as far as Might and expenditure goes, I'd say the lake is part of the river (so the 2 FP that created the river also created its headwaters, they are one in that regard).
The depths of the Seihdh Lake are a Gateway and, as you mentioned, that comes with a set of properties all its own, and I'll expand on that once I have thought on it more.
Now if we break things down a bit, there are effectively two sets of blessings and a 'curse' in place on the Seihdh and Seihdhar together:


As each of these is a powerful and permanent blessing/curse on a natural phenomenon rather than a group, I'd think 2 FP for each makes sense, to a total of 6 FP for the properties all together, and the blood would be subsumed under them all generally as mentioned earlier. Of course, these are not curses or blessings in the conventional sense, and so would still fall under the above-mentioned 1+ Might for a godly feat, but the curse/blessing costs give a good guideline for what price makes sense as the effects are more or less curses/blessings only that there is a conduit.

And yup, making things out of bits of gods is very present in ancients myths. I was reading some Mesopotomian creation stories not too long ago and there is a lot of chopping up gods. What happens there would be the equivalent of all the Mk.III gods conspiring against Archie, chopping him up, then making the different spheres out of his body parts. :| My little river is really tame in comparison. xD

@Kho Blessings upon your river aren't covered by FP though, right?

@Kho That is a reasonable costing.

@Strange Rodent It's a grey area, because this is a property of a landform, and landforms are covered by FP. Since it was creating a geographical feature on Galbar, it is in the spirit of the Age of Creation.

@AdorableSaucer @Darkspleen Regarding:

After a few hours she had gotten a very good idea of what the continent was like. In a word: boring. It was rock and rock and more rock. Oh and a random river of blood that ran through most of the continent. Because why wouldn’t that be a thing? Or perhaps calling it a river of ichor would be more fitting as Phystene could sense it possessed a divine nature.

I may have misunderstood, but I was under the impression that our resident river god had made Continent Kirron his base and that, if it is not already flush with rivers, it already has the Hemen/Giant's Bath (are they the same thing or am I confused?) at it's centre. I never imagined Continent Kirron being rocky at all. On the contrary, thought the mere presence of the Gateway to Fengshui Fuyou meant it was rather riverfied.

@AdorableSaucer @Darkspleen Regarding:

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I may have misunderstood, but I was under the impression that our resident river god had made Continent Kirron his base and that, if it is not already flush with rivers, it already has the Hemen/Giant's Bath (are they the same thing or am I confused?) at it's centre. I never imagined Continent Kirron being rocky at all. On the contrary, thought the mere presence of the Gateway to Fengshui Fuyou meant it was rather riverfied.

It's early days for that continent. Kirron pulled it out of the ground and threw it upside down over his head. It's mostly exposed bedrock until the birds, rivers, and other stuff make it hospitable.

@Kho

@AdorableSaucer @Darkspleen Regarding:

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After a few hours she had gotten a very good idea of what the continent was like. In a word: boring. It was rock and rock and more rock. Oh and a random river of blood that ran through most of the continent. Because why wouldn’t that be a thing? Or perhaps calling it a river of ichor would be more fitting as Phystene could sense it possessed a divine nature.

I may have misunderstood, but I was under the impression that our resident river god had made Continent Kirron his base and that, if it is not already flush with rivers, it already has the Hemen/Giant's Bath (are they the same thing or am I confused?) at it's centre. I never imagined Continent Kirron being rocky at all. On the contrary, thought the mere presence of the Gateway to Fengshui Fuyou meant it was rather riverfied.

Hey, fam! No probs. We actually address that in an upcoming collab. Just so it's clear, the Seidhar was the first river on the continent to my knowledge. Shengshi has not carved any himself yet. The Hemen is inside the Giant's Bath, so, and I can probably spoil this much considering it was teased in the previous collab, it is very likely that Shengshi will make at least one river flow out of that area. However, with the Giant's Bath being a cauldron-shape and also elevated off the ground, most of that water has technically been trapped for the time being. It will be released and begin sanding at the continent soon.

Also, Kirronland is, to my knowledge, still basically a hedgehog made land, so extremely rocky.

Just realised I described Swahitteh-Tendlepog as having 'straight energies' instead of 'strange energies', lol.

It's very not gay

The not-gayest.

^ Wack