Fisheye said
You have a point, I'm just trying to emphasize that taking out the Thalmor should not be a walk in a park by any means, and should require at least some form of a coalition. All sorts factors would come in to play with a open war between the Thalmor and anyone else (for example, transporting an army to Summerset, a behemoth and sluggish task in and of itself)

Well, there is a reason the Emperor is trying to get a Summit in among the races of men and is getting the Wood Elves to rise up against the Thalmor, he didn't do it for the lolz you know xD

darkwolf687 said
But most places have battle mages of their own, who might not be as skilled but many will be able to hold their own long enough their allies can kill 'em, and we are talking majorly different here too. Lets say we slash the Thalmor number by 7000 due to the great war and the Elves slow replacement of these losses (it could potentially be even less troops, as Khan said 25,515 at best without a counting the great war) then compare that to Hammerfells 33,000. It's almost half the size, the Redguards have about a 15,000 lead on them, and that's a large number advantage. Not saying it's be a walk in the park (Thalmor Battlemages are strong, as you said) but the Redguard definitely hold a fair advantage there I think.

I should note these are numbers I got without including the major cities, (as there is simply not enough information on them to get an even rough estimate on their population, geesh, and I though the beast races would be hard) so we could see a few hundred more, still in all it seems the loss of Valenwood and Elsweyr hurt the Dominion more then I thought.

It by no means equals to an easy victory, but not at all an impossibility.

Fisheye said
You have a point, I'm just trying to emphasize that taking out the Thalmor should not be a walk in a park by any means, and should require at least some form of a coalition. All sorts factors would come in to play with an open war between the Thalmor and anyone else (for example, transporting an army to Summerset, a behemoth and sluggish task in and of itself), so I'm just proposing that we don't get too caught up in numbers, as they're only one factor of many. This brings me to another point, we really should get someone to man Summerset for this RP. It's likely that they'll get into a war at some point, and without a player at the helm of the defenders it's a rather uneven match-up. Not that I don't trust the people participating, but it usually turns out better if pivotal wars are fought between RPers and NPCs, as 99% of the time the RPers fabricate a way for themselves to win, fair or otherwise. I've been trying to convince a couple of RL friends to join as Summerset, but they'd both be new to RPing (though both are familiar with TES and one is an avid writer). Anyway, a RP Guild local would probably be quicker and simpler, so if anyone has a buddy in mind...

It would be nice if Summerset had a player at the helm, the problem with that is few people if any one wants to be the main baddy everyone and their mother wants to pound into the ground. I mean their allies abandoned them at a drop of a hat before the RP ever even started...

Heck I'm hoping the reclusive sea elves will come to the Thalmor's rescue.

GreivousKhan said
I should not these are numbers I got without including the major cities, (as there is simply not enough information on them to get an even rough estimate on their population, geesh, and I though the beast races would be hard) so we could see a few hundred more, still in all it seems the loss of Valenwood and Elsweyr hurt the Dominion more then I thought.It by no means equals to an easy victory, but not at all an impossibility. It would be nice if Summerset had a player at the helm, the problem with that is few people if any one wants to be the main baddy everyone and their mother wants to pound into the ground. I mean their allies abandoned them at a drop of a hat before the RP ever even started...Heck I'm hoping the reclusive sea elves will come to the Thalmor's rescue.

After a few rounds of posting, you'll see that Alinor is the least of your concerns, trust me.

Ps. Skyrim is awfully quiet right now, wonder if dragons came back and burned it down.

gcold said
After a few rounds of posting, you'll see that Alinor is the least of your concerns, trust me.

Must... Chop... Alinor!!!!!

darkwolf687 said
I think I should point out that an Arrow to the Eye, even in a fantasy setting, isn't exactly a laughing matter, he'd likely require a mage to heal him immediately or consume some of those almighty potions that exist within TES xD

That's if he manages to not die from the hilarious amount of trauma that would do to the brain.

darkwolf687 said
Well, there is a reason the Emperor is trying to get a Summit in among the races of men and is getting the Wood Elves to rise up against the Thalmor, he didn't do it for the lolz you know xD

Oops, I haven't checked the IC today, so I guess I'm a little behind. Anyway, a Summit seems like a prudent step to defeating the Altmer, assuming the various races can buddy-up long enough to face cooking enemy.

GreivousKhan said
I should note these are numbers I got without including the major cities, (as there is simply not enough information on them to get an even rough estimate on their population, geesh, and I though the beast races would be hard) so we could see a few hundred more, still in all it seems the loss of Valenwood and Elsweyr hurt the Dominion more then I thought.It by no means equals to an easy victory, but not at all an impossibility. It would be nice if Summerset had a player at the helm, the problem with that is few people if any one wants to be the main baddy everyone and their mother wants to pound into the ground. I mean their allies abandoned them at a drop of a hat before the RP ever even started...Heck I'm hoping the reclusive sea elves will come to the Thalmor's rescue.

In addition to being generally hated by must, another issue for a potential Summerset RPer is that the Thalmor's ideals seem relatively difficult to RP properly. That was the reason for my aversion to RPing Alinor, anyway.

As for the Maormer getting involved, I'm not sure if we will. Even if we did, I'm not even sure we would be inclined to aid the Altmer, as we've spent a few thousand years endlessly raiding their coasts and even waged war on them. The Maormer have some more dire issues ATM anyway.

gcold said
After a few rounds of posting, you'll see that Alinor is the least of your concerns, trust me.

With the Akaviri, Sload, and Maormer all likely closing in soon, I can only imagine :P.

darkwolf687 said
But most places have battle mages of their own, who might not be as skilled but many will be able to hold their own long enough their allies can kill 'em, and we are talking majorly different here too. Lets say we slash the Thalmor number by 7000 due to the great war and the Elves slow replacement of these losses (it could potentially be even less troops, as Khan said 25,515 at best without a counting the great war) then compare that to Hammerfells 33,000. It's almost half the size, the Redguards have about a 15,000 lead on them, and that's a large number advantage. Not saying it's be a walk in the park (Thalmor Battlemages are strong, as you said) but the Redguard definitely hold a fair advantage there I think.

I think this whole argument itself on the presumption that they have met an opposing army in a land war. Provided with the current political climate of Tamriel, The Dominion has more than likely pulled most, if not all of its forces out of the mainland and back to the Isles. Given this probably highly possible scenario, no force in all of Tamriel would be able to stand a chance at crushing Alinor, short of recreating the All-Flags Navy sans Alinor, that is.

Given the way magic is, was and has been used within the lore, any forces at sea would be pulled under by summoned whirlpools, blown off course by summoned gales of wind and ambushed in summoned mist by the hilariously superb Altmer navy. It would take a very, very skilled enemy to beat the Altmer at sea, and the only time that the Isles have been invaded, it took a CHIM-Having Dragonborn Emperor holding the leash on a Time-Breaking Mega-Robot built by the Dwemer.

Also, Jangel, I hope you've peppered your angus for what you're about to expect from a very pissed off Aldmeri Dominion.

Also, just my two cents, if I hadn't tried my hand at playing High Rock and representing its complicated political and cultural traditions to the best of my ability, I ttly would have loved playing as the Summerset Isles.

Fisheye said
Oops, I haven't checked the IC today, so I guess I'm a little behind. Anyway, a Summit seems like a prudent step to defeating the Altmer, assuming the various races can buddy-up long enough to face cooking enemy. In addition to being generally hated by must, another issue for a potential Summerset RPer is that the Thalmor's ideals seem relatively difficult to RP properly. That was the reason for my aversion to RPing Alinor, anyway.As for the Maormer getting involved, I'm not sure if we will. Even if we did, I'm not even sure we would be inclined to aid the Altmer, as we've spent a few thousand years endlessly raiding their coasts and even waged war on them. The Maormer have some more dire issues ATM anyway.With the Akaviri, Sload, and Maormer all likely closing in soon, I can only imagine :P.

Difficult? I don't really think so, their goals and thoughts would seem among the easier things to RP, granted it takes a little time getting into the mindset perhaps. I think it's more people might be uncomfortable with the radical thinking of most Thalmor. More then a few have compared them to TES version of Nazi's, (A bit extreme in my opinion) .

Leidenschaft said
Also, Jangel, I hope you've peppered your angus for what you're about to expect from a very pissed off Aldmeri Dominion.

Well, its going to have trouble butt fucking the wood elves if they pulled all their forces back xD

Guys, lets hold back a bit so Skyrim can post without getting confused.

Leidenschaft said
I think this whole argument itself on the presumption that they have met an opposing army in a land war. Provided with the current political climate of Tamriel, The Dominion has more than likely pulled most, if not all of its forces out of the mainland and back to the Isles. Given this probably highly possible scenario, no force in all of Tamriel would be able to stand a chance at crushing Alinor, short of recreating the All-Flags Navy sans Alinor, that is.Given the way magic is, was and has been used within the lore, any forces at sea would be pulled under by summoned whirlpools, blown off course by summoned gales of wind and ambushed in summoned mist by the hilariously superb Altmer navy. It would take a very, very skilled enemy to beat the Altmer at sea, and the only time that the Isles have been invaded, it took a CHIM-Having Dragonborn Emperor holding the leash on a Time-Breaking Mega-Robot built by the Dwemer.

Historically the only people who come close to matching the Altmer at sea would be the Redguards, due to their seafaring heritage, people often forget just how formidable they are in the open ocean. As one must remember that before they came to Hammerfell, they lived on a sprinkling of islands, and if not for their seamanship, they might have never survived the destruction of Yokuda. Once they did take Hammerfell they continued with their tradition of seamanship and built a formidable navy by the time Emperor Tiber Septim came around, and despite having a huge imperial fleet -and skilled admiral- at the Battle of Hunding Bay, the Empire almost lost, if not for; A lucky poisoned arrow and a bloody dragon.

It is worth to note on two occasions Tiber Septim needed a plot device to win. All of them sea battles. One was a Dragon and the other the Brass god.

However I think the Ra-gada and the Atlmer are skilled at sea for very different reasons obviously. For the Atlmer it would be their magic and maybe better then average ships, and the Redguards due to superior seamanship mixed with the battle prowess of their marines. As one on one fighting is much more prevalent at sea ship-to-ship engagements.

GreivousKhan said
Historically the only people who come close to matching the Altmer at sea would be the Redguards, due to their seafaring heritage, people often forget just how formidable they are in the open ocean. As one must remember that before they came to Hammerfell, they lived on a sprinkling of islands, and if not for their seamanship, they might have never survived the destruction of Yokuda. Once they did take Hammerfell they continued with their tradition of seamanship and built a formidable navy by the time Emperor Tiber Septim came around, and despite having a huge imperial fleet -and skilled admiral- at the Battle of Hunding Bay, the Empire almost lost, if not for; A lucky poisoned arrow and a bloody dragon. It is worth to note on two occasions Tiber Septim needed a plot device to win. All of them sea battles. One was a Dragon and the other the Brass god.However I think the Ra-gada and the Atlmer are skilled at sea for very different reasons obviously. For the Atlmer it would be their magic and maybe better then average ships, and the Redguards due to superior seamanship mixed with the battle prowess of their marines. As one on one fighting is much more prevalent at sea ship-to-ship engagements.

Indeed, seems the good ol' Empire ain't too good at this new fangled naval thing...

darkwolf687 said
Indeed, seems the good ol' Empire ain't too good at this new fangled naval thing...

All those fancy formations don't work to well at the open ocean for some reason. :K

GreivousKhan said
All those fancy formations don't work to well at the open ocean for some reason. :K

^This

Guys, I am sorry, I REALLY should not be in this.

darkwolf687 said
Well, its going to have trouble butt fucking the wood elves if they pulled all their forces back xD

Loyalists and agents. Espionage is a hell of a drug.

ActRaiserTheReturned said
Guys, I am sorry, I REALLY should not be in this.

Are you sure? If you quit then Skyrim will be open to other players.

Guys, I'm sorry. But I also think that I need to withdraw. I got too many things going on right now