[OOC] Sword Hall of Shadows

[Skallagrim]

Sword Hall Of Shadows
Start: 2/12/2014
End: 2/27/2014
Combatants: Fuchsia vs. Tomaru Shinimura, aka The Red Shinigami
First Post: Fushisa



The distance between the platform to the center platform is a 15 foot jump. Each platform is 30 feet in diameter and there is a 15 foot space between them.The sword statues are 100 feet tall. Everything can be destroyed with effort. The swords can be used as beams and can support up to 2500 lbs easily. The darkness is an aspect of dreamer energy and as time goes on a dark ash will begin to fall. This ash has a temperature of -250 degrees below zero. The more the ash accumulates the more frigid and brittle the battle ground becomes.

[Green]

I think you're misjudging the altitude and speed of the rocket. In no way will Tomaru be able to land on the other platform before the rocket hits.

Distance between Tomaru and the other platform: 44 feet (edge) or 59 feet (middle)
Distance between Hitler Rocket and Tomaru: 25 feet.

Rocket speed: Likely a lot faster than the unspecified dashing speed capabilities of Tomaru.

Altitude: Fuchsia hits the ground before the rocket lands it's mark, meaning he's not that high up to begin with. You're allowed to assume at which altitude he's going at, but by logic, it's the opposite of what you thought ^_^

[ruronihs]

Actually, the distance between Tomaru and the other platform is 15 feet, since he is on one edge, jumping to another.

Each platform is 30 feet in diameter and there is a 15 foot space between them.

Tomaru jumps as Fuchsia is aiming at him, not as he fires a rocket. He doesn't need to be faster than the rocket, he needs to be faster than the time it takes for Fuchsia to aim plus the time it takes for the rocket to go the 25 feet you specified (and as I wrote in the post, he was already jumping by the time the rocket emerged from the hellzooka). Now, since this is a Tier 5 tournament where all the characters could "defeat Trinity from The Matrix with ease," I feel as though this is a reasonable degree of reflex and speed for a martial arts master. Furthermore, Tomaru doesn't even need to complete the full 15 ft leap before the rocket hits, he just needs to traverse a bit of it to avoid the initial blast and the rest is yet to come.

Now, if the distance between Tomaru and the rocket, and consequently Fuchsia since he's holding the hellzooka, is 25 feet, as you are saying, we can use the Pythagorean Theorem to calculate the range of all possible altitudes for Fuchsia, which is 25 feet if he is directly above Tomaru, or 20 feet if he is directly above the edge of the opposite platform. Since he would likely be mid leap when he fires the rocket ~22 feet is a reasonable altitude. Even if we cut that number more than in half to 10 feet in the air, Tomaru is still less than 10 feet tall and could reasonably pass under Fuchsia given the near-linear trajectory I described.

[Green]

Fuchsia´s jump was aimed at the opposite end of the platform, Tomaru moved to Fuchsia´s intended landing point, therefore the distance 44 feet if he is jumping towards the nearest edge of the platform Fuchsia jumped from, or 59 if he´s aiming for the middle.

The fact that he´s jumping before Fuchsia even fires the rocket is interesting though, but I´ll adress that point on my next IC post (why fire at an opponent who´s no longer there?) - As for Tomaru´s running speed and jumping capabilities. Sure, Tier 5 allows you to defeat Trinity with ease and so on; and I agree that Tomaru´s reflexes are well up there, but nowhere (That I can see) is Tomaru´s running speed, or strength, specified :/

Edit: Made a dot drawing. Didn´t show up as intended at all. Damn.

[ruronihs]

Ok, I think I see the discrepancy here. For the sake of this explanation the "near end" will be the end of Tomaru's platform closest to Fuchsia's original platform and the "far end" will be the end of Tomaru's platform opposite the near end. I had originally interpreted Fuchsia's jump as aiming for the near end. You stated that you were aiming for the "opposite" end, but it was a bit vague as to what exactly was being opposed. If it was opposite Fuchsia's original platform, either end could be construed as opposite since they are technically both opposing the other platform. I interpreted it as the end opposing the direction Tomaru was facing, and since the two characters were facing each other, that makes it the near end. Since Fuchsia is aiming for the far end though, this totally changes my visualization of the jump and I agree that the resulting leap, as written, is not feasible. I think the best solution, then, would be for me to edit (read: completely overhaul) the post to account for this discrepancy. Just post one more OOC post to let me know you read this and agree with it, and then I'll make the edit.

I would also recommend using this "near end - far end" terminology in the future to avoid further confusion since I foresee a lot of platforming on this stage, "near" and "far" both being relative to the person making the leap. As for Tomaru's stats, there was nothing in the character skeleton stating that I needed to quantify my character's exact stats and the tier descriptions were more qualitative than anything else, so I felt a qualitative description of Tomaru's abilities was appropriate. I will say that since speed and strength are not specified as abilities, he will lose in a contest of raw speed and raw strength against characters who have those qualities listed as a specialty. You will also see that he will find ways to avoid such direct competition (such as staying out of the line of fire rather than literally dodging a rocket). And, of course, I consider such movements to be interruptions and according to the rules you may modify your actions afterwards.

[Green]

I can see how my wording could be a bit vague. I will make sure to be better in the future. Thank you for being understanding, I'm glad we resolved it. I fully agree with everything you just said. Sorry you have to re-write things :/

As for stats, I see your logic. I just felt I had to point it out so that I'd get a clearer picture of how Tomaru is visually presenting his speed and strength throughout the battle, and I think what you just said will do nicely. You're a cool guy for taking things as well as you did, kudos. I'm always worried about people being upset when/if I start questioning their moves and character OOC.

[ruronihs]

OK, I edited the second post, so hopefully everything makes sense now. And believe me, as soon as I saw elevated platforms, I knew that there was going to be at least one positioning dispute. In my experience, arenas like these are the single most difficult place to hold a fight due to the complexity of the terrain. In the other arenas, the most the players have to deal with is "big rock at point A." We have to deal with mandatory jumps to account for periodic gaps between circular platforms arranged in a hexagonal pattern. I can definitely understand why it's hard to give precise descriptions of positioning.

As for taking criticism, I honestly don't understand why some people get as upset as they do. It's a fake fight between fake people with literally zero real-world consequences. Furthermore it's supposed to be fun and i find it more fun to simply resolve the dispute and carry on with the RP then to let the fact that somebody doesn't like the fake actions of my fake character cause an existential crisis, which it seems to do to some people.

And just because I like math, the revised Pythagorean equation representing all of Fuchsia's possible altitudes is 25 ft if he is directly above Tomaru, 20 ft if he is above the middle of the platform, i(16.58) ft if he is above the near end of the platform. Basically he'd have to enter hyperbolic space to keep the Hitler Rocket 25 ft from Tomaru at that distance. lol.

[Green]

I think we'll go with 17-18 feet for good measure ^_^

I went ahead and continued with the attack as Fuchsia originally planned it, since Tomaru didn't move as drastically as you posted the first time. Had one hell of a backlash, but hey, triple charged -rocket-

[Green]

Two questions before I post:

1. Is the Iketah (ikitah?)/Ki blade physically visible?

2. Would the non-charged Ki-Blade vs a non-charged rocket not cancel each other out upon hitting each-other?

[ruronihs]

1.) You might notice some distortion in the air from the Ikiteha, but it's not like dragon ball Z where it's all glowy and stuff.

2.) The parts where they come in contact would cancel each other out, so effectively it would get smaller the more rockets it hits. The blade is about 8 feet long, so it would have to hit quite a few to be neutralized. My reasoning is that it's a single dense attack vs a dispersed scatter-shot and that the Ikiteha is designed specifically for cutting through things, so I feel that parts of it advancing through the volley is reasonable.

[Green]

1. Gotcha.

2. I see your logic. Personally, I would reason that the inevitable explosion produced upon impact between the blade and the rocket would at the very least blast it off course. 'Tis rockets after all. Fuchsia is only dangerous because he's capable of literally spamming rockets. While I'm quite fond of tv tropes such as "The more they are, the weaker they get." (Couldn't find the actual trope :/ ) I don't think it applies here. A rocket is rocket.

I might, of course, be wrong. Should we get an official ruling on it?

[ruronihs]

If you're ok with the blast knocking it a bit off course, then I'd be fine with that. Otherwise, let's get a ruling.

[Green]

Might as well get a ruling. I have a feeling the rockets are going to clash with Tomaru's attacks in the future as well. Doesn't hurt to know the ruled effect ^_^

[Skallagrim]

What exactly is the issue you want ruled upon?

[ruronihs]

Whether or not all eight feet of the Ikiteha will be halted upon hitting a single rocket, or whether only the portions that come into contact with the rockets will be halted by the rockets.

[Skallagrim]

Alright let me do some reading on what you've written. I will rule on it in the morning.

[Skallagrim]

Ok. As I see it the sword according to the descriptors:

kiteha: Tomaru focuses his Ki tightly into the form of a blade. He can release that energy into a narrow plane of kinetic energy that can slice through all but the sturdiest substances; reinforced titanium probably wouldn’t be affected. Ikiteha requires devoted concentration before it is executed.

Can cut through all but the hardest substance, so we can assume by the defensive action described the blade can cut through supernatural metal but would have a hard time cutting through a natural alloy. Iffy but I will allow it to cut through the metal that is the shell. The second issue is the kinetic and concussive damage that would occur the minute the first shell "detonated" since the descriptors for the Hellzooka rounds hold this:

...It literally fires live rockets, inhabited by the souls of murderers and the likes, their faces attached to the front; screaming all the way from the moment they leave the barrel, until they blow up at will when they get close enough to a victim. They use their eyes to determine such, and if they're unable to see someone, they will not detonate themselves until they hit something.

So the first time the blade gets close to the shell probably at the same moment the shell "sees" a target it explodes, but I didn't see any indication that Fuchsia actually charged the Hellzooka in any meaningful way, if I am wrong please show me where you have charged it. Since the Hellzooka is not charged (as of this ruling) the damage will not "hurt" Tomaru but Tomaru must deal with the kinetic impact of the exploding shells since he is the originator of the explosive impact.

I also have a question how can one part of the blade be halted but the others continue?

...The blade was angled so that these three points fell on the same line. Impact with one of the souls would likely halt a portion of the blade, but the majority of it would continue hurtling forward.

If the object you created is a solid formation hows does the remainder continue forward? Even if you are claiming it to be energy, as solid energy would you not have by virtue of the disrupted blade "whole" by the sudden stopping of a portion of the blade, a loss of potential kinetic energy along the remainder?

Ruling: The blade can cut the rockets however the rockets will explode at the same time the shell/blade interact slowing the blade by loss of energy along the entire length. The increased concussive forces of the multiple exploding shells will affect both players to some degree via a knock back, knock down or some other displacement of position up to 5 meters distance.

[ruronihs]

The Lord hath spoken. lol.

[Green]

Nitpicking, but when you say Tomaru waited until the last possible moment before moving away from the rocket's path, I presume you didn't mean that in such a way that he narrowly dodges the thing, as the rocket would self-destruct if that was the case, right?

I'm going to bed right now, I'll post when I wake up ^_^

[ruronihs]

Right. No matrix dodging. He's really just trying to make sure that Fuchsia aims at the leg.