[OOC] The Rebel Vampire

[TShara]

The black hole needs some pseudo-science in order to be contained. If it were a microscopic black hole in some kind of containment field, I could deal with it I guess...

Magic has rules all the time... I was going to use FMA's Alchemy as an example, but that's a science (that totally looks like magic), so I guess that won't count. But even Skyrim has magical rules.

Either way the history happened, the result is a level of technology that roughly corresponds with the modern world, right? What needs to exist or not exist? Unless you basically tell me, I don't know what you need or don't need.

Well, I feel like a jerk doing it, because I really did love your post, but I think Erik is going to become pretty agitated and upset, and will decide that he needs two things. A full explanation of this damned "plan" and some kind of actual evidence that anything Alexi is saying is true. He doesn't believe in faith, and he still thinks it could all be some sick game, some trick. From his perspective, that's totally plausible. If Alexi can't give him those things, then he will have to continue resisting. As far as he's concerned, he's being asked to become a complete slave to a man who wants to end slavery. It's totally out of his scope to think that the potion does anything else. So the whole thing is just... illogical.

[PopeAlessandros]

I don't know yet EVERYTHING that needs to exist or not exist, I'm not far enough into the RP to tell you that. And yes, black hole containment thingy :P

*Shrug* Then he keeps resisting, like you planned :P Alexi don't wanna spill yet, and he has no proof beyond his word, until of course, the second dose :P

[TShara]

Well, I'll try and accommodate you on it when the time comes.

It's just so tragically pointless to me. I know I've said this before, but ultimately, this is about him putting himself through pain and suffering for nothing (except essentially proving that he can do it.) Both Alexi and Erik would suffer a lot less if Alexi would just tell him what he's up to, and prove to him that he is trustworthy. It's all so easily preventable, and that's really sad.

[PopeAlessandros]

Alexi's an asshole?

[PopeAlessandros]

That aside, Even if he told him, at this stage, Erik would not believe him. You said so yourself. The second he was out of those chains, he'd try and eat Alexi, and even if he tried to feed him untainted blood, he's vowed to himself not to accept it.

[TShara]

I didn't say that...

But in a way, yes. Both to Erik and to himself.

Just tell me one thing, is there any reason for making Erik suffer like this apart from Alexi's own ... quirks? Something about the plan that is more potent by not telling him?

I guess what it comes down to is that I almost feel bad for not following along... especially with some of the stuff I have planned later... All of my little twists and angst I have planned are predicated on Erik and Joseph just not understanding.

[PopeAlessandros]

*Points up*

And yes, there is a reason, it may seem quirky, but in a way, Alexi believes it's for Erik's own good.

[TShara]

I don't know... if there was some proof, he might accept it after that impassioned speech. It was impressive. And believe it or not, Erik wants an end to this too. He would be willing to risk himself, even his own freedom, if he truly thought it could mean the end of slavery. He would just need something concrete, something more than the word of his kidnapper.

Then, he could agree to take the first two doses, to demonstrate that it is not destroying him. Alexi could tell him that if he still didn't believe him at that point, he could be allowed to leave. That's still early enough to detox from the potion.

For his own good enough to outweigh over a week's worth of agony and several days worth of near-insanity?

[PopeAlessandros]

*Whines* *Rolls about* You really want this, huh? I got the distinct impression a while ago that you WANTED these guys to suffer. . . .And Alexi. . . .Doesn't wanna lie. He won't let the guy go until after the fourth dose, no matter what. . . .But I MIGHT be able to convince him to lie. . . .*Rolls around* Do you really want this? Really and truly?

[TShara]

There's a difference between suffering and suffering because of a stupid and easily avoided misunderstanding...

No, I don't really "want" that. I'm just pointing out that there might have been less painful and more logical ways for Alexi to execute his plan, and still have Alexi gain everything he wanted.

Suffice it to say that Erik will probably be pretty furious (again) when he realizes the whole thing probably could have been avoided if Alexi had just been totally upfront with him and given him some form of proof. And he'll probably be pretty rude pointing it out.

Fair enough?

[PopeAlessandros]

*Smiles* Alexi is a selfish S.O.B. and his way of doing things is fare more guaranteed than anything else he could come up with, and even caving here lessens his chances of this working, even if it is in an unperceived manner by all until the plan's fruition. :P

"I'm just pointing out that there might have been less painful and more logical ways for Alexi to execute his plan, and still have Alexi gain everything he wanted."

Hmmmm. . . Bold statement for someone who doesn't even know what Alexi's aiming for with this aspect of his plan, don'cha think? Just picking on you, but the point still stands :P

There is only one part I can think of right now that puts in a snag. Even if he consents to this proof thing, he can't risk Erik leaving the room. No one must know Erik, the most revered of rebel leaders, ever underwent any kind of breaking, otherwise the faith in him will be shaken, his image, tainted. Even if in this case it not being a breaking, like Erik, no magical will believe that what happened was anything but a breaking, and would no longer trust Erik as they do now. . . I can't see Alexi letting him out of the chains. . .Unless Erik submits to some other form of restraint to keep him in the room, and the bathroom maybe. . .*Suddenly had bath visions* *Smacks self* Say on track here Pope. . . .

[TShara]

Well... I had to go to class for my final exam. But while I was driving, I thought more about it. Im going to try and make myself stop trying to figure out and - or change your plan ooc. Even if in the end it makes mu characters look stupid or needlessly stubborn or too angry and emotional when they don't perfectly follow it. From an IC perspective, they might still work against you due to Alexi not communicating. Just don't get mad at me if I act true to them with what they know and don't know. As it is, I guess I personally know that Alexi is trustworthy, so I actually feel guilty for Erik being mean to him. Thats what sparked my misgivings last night.

[PopeAlessandros]

*Shrug* As long as Erik stays in that room(And the bathroom) there really is not EXTREME reason for Alexi to be a little more accommodating and reasonable, and in fact, it may even make the climax of the plan a bit more touching, so I have no problem with changing it up a little bit, as long as we can come up with a way to keep Erik in the room without him being able to escape, and not trying to kill Alexi for it :P Something that would keep him there, but he would bare more willingly than the chains. *Shrug* You can only have your characters act as to what is true to their nature and knowledge, and will never hold that against you.

This is one of those moments where you can pat yourself on the back and bow at having accomplished something that ranks right up there with impossible: You managed to sway me a bit after I put my foot down. Good for you! *Claps*

[TShara]

Well, I'm fine with either one, really. In my next post Erik will practically beg Alexi for some explanation and some proof. He does really want to believe him, because Alexi is promising the one thing he has fought for for the vast majority of his life. To him, that would be worth surrendering his soul. If the explanation and proof are good enough, he might take the potion sooner. It might ruin the minor twist I had planned parenthood though, as thats predicated on Erik's torture continuing.

If they aren't, then Erik will just look stupid, stubborn, a ngsty, and needlessly tragic, hopefully in ways that seem at least understandable rather than childish. I guess my worst fear is that you wont like what I'm doing with him.

[PopeAlessandros]

*Shrugs* I can still see him being that way a bit even if Alexi gives, and did you really just put planned parenthood up there?

I am actually warmed to the idea of this being a little less angsty, up to a certain point that, is I think Alexi will show some proof. If Erik will accept it :P Not sure what he'd accept at this point, but what I have in mind. . .Should work, one would hope. However, until we come up with some other way, Erik will have to stay in chains for now. You have to let me know what he accept as something to keep him from leaving.

[TShara]

Sorry, fucking autocorrect. I don't know where that came from. The electricity is out for the whole neighborhood, despite the fact that its a clear and sunny day, so I'm on my cell.

Well, we shall see. Ill reply when the electricity is back up. No way am I typing a whole post on my phone.

[PopeAlessandros]

No, it's okay, it gave me a giggle, and I understand, no need to rush :P I can wait :P

[TShara]

Yay! Done. I hope you like it. I doubt this is going to be the end of the problems between the two of them, but maybe things will smooth out a bit. Part of the problem is that any way you spin it, Alexi is totally just pulling everyone's strings here, and Erik hates being someone else's puppet. It's actually... a pretty huge deal for him to agree to take the potion, not just because he thinks the potion itself will turn him into a slave, but because he has problems with trust and being controlled. The only people he's ever really trusted were those in his resistance cell.

[PopeAlessandros]

Hopefully this will at least make him think twice :P

[TShara]

So, what Alexi did was basically let himself feel Erik's emotions towards him? The pain is the pain of his hatred, humiliation, and anger at what Alexi has done to him. It doesn't really have any correlation with the pain from his bloodlust, right?

I R so confused... Erik is even more confuzzled. He ... didn't even know the potion could work on humans, and he's never heard of it causing pain. Actually, I thought it just caused pain from people refusing to take it, and that once they did they were fine? Was I totally wrong about that?