[OOC] The House of Powers

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@DarkwolfX37 I'm always sleeping. Or being tired and not able to sleep ^~^

[Lillium]

@DarkwolfX37 I remember telling you quite clearly to make certain edits to your CS. The characters tab is only for those who have been accepted. Please remove yours until you've made the edits I requested.

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@Lillium Not to step into GM business, but I could've sworn I remembered Jinx saying it was fine.

[Lillium]

I'm aware of that. However, I happen to have issues with her power.

You realize that as co-GM, I can pull character sheets and ask for edits when it makes sense to do so?

[Lillium]

@banjoanjo Please add a maximum range to his powers. Five meter radius should be fine for now.

Everything else looks good.

[Lillium]

Signups are closed, from this point on. If this changes, one of the GMs will let you know.

Those of you who have already submitted a CS will still have your spots, of course.

[Benzaiten]

I'm aware of that. However, I happen to have issues with her power.

You realize that as co-GM, I can pull character sheets and ask for edits when it makes sense to do so?

@Lillium

Does that mean when a GM says something is fine, the co-GM is allowed to tell the GM no it's not fine?

I never really had experience with co-GMs. And I thought it goes like in my soccer team. I am the coach ("GM") and my two co-trainer ("co-GMs") are not allowed to tell the kids to do something when I already said it's this or that way. Like my word is above theirs but their word is still important has to be listened to just as much. Not that they would ever cross with me, they know it's my team and I give them great respect for what they do for me and our team. They're important to me. But I just wanted to ask if it goes differently on here.

Are co-GM and GM completely equal? And therefor can the co-GM demand changes when the GM already accepted the CS for completely fine?

(Sorry, it's just for my own understanding. I hope no one feels offended or anything. Really I just wanna know. Thank you! :D)

[DarkwolfX37]

@DarkwolfX37 I remember telling you quite clearly to make certain edits to your CS. The characters tab is only for those who have been accepted. Please remove yours until you've made the edits I requested.

@Lillium

I did make those edits. I just made the increase in power gradual instead of all suddenly kicking in at tier five. If I kept the edits exactly as you said without taking any liberties with the power increases, then she would have been too weak to even bother with because her powers would be TOO limited to be viable.

Trigger warning: I'm going to fucking tell you off in the following otherwise perfectly civil explanation because this is infuriating

Think about this for a second. If someone had a power like hers and it remained stagnant, with the limitations you mentioned remaining as you gave them all the way until she reached tier five, which very possibly might not happen by the end of this rp because of just how far away that is, then she would not only have the tons of weaknesses that come as side effects that already balanced out her power plenty, but she would be literally unable to defend herself against simple, average teenager humans in 99.9% of all situations where she was in danger. A stagnant power that after constant effort and improvement and tons of fucking time only resulted in a tiny increase in power but a major increase in things that are actively dangerous and life-threatening to her would: A) Almost certainly ensure that she dies young and well before she ever reached even tier four. B) Make any scientist worth their salt decide to simply forgo observing her growth and just kill and dissect her. C) Cause the first conflict she got into with another character, who, thanks to how weak Violet is, would 100% of the time be notably stronger than her and who has little to no control of their own powers, become hospitalizing at best and deadly at worst.

I don't mean any disrespect by anything so far, and I mean the following in the kindest possible way, but FUCKING THINK for a second.

Edit:
I also wanted to say that I'm fine with having to satisfy all three (Co)GMs and I'm perfectly fine with throwing out a power and choosing something else, AND I don't hold a grudge against anyone for criticism or complaints or requests or anything else, but this particular instance of interaction over this particular character idea is insane and it's not insane because of me, for once.

Edit Edit:
For those wondering, the changes in question were:

Changes required

I'd have to ask you to add more reasonable weaknesses. For example, requiring her to be in physical contact with the person before she can use her power on them. And it needs to be skin contact, mind you. The changes cannot be instant. They can and will be disrupted if contact is broken. Anything below tier 5 will not be permanent. They'll revert back after a while. 12 hours at tier 4, 15 minutes at tier 1 and so on.

Her prior powers were:

Prior powers

Tier Zero:
Her level when she was captured.
At this level can only cause something to produce more or less of a chemical.
Chemicals: Melanins.
- "Ever wanted to see what it's like to be a different race? I can help."

Tier One:
Higher maximum and minimum capable of causing to be produced.
Can now control the amount released, up to 15% of what's produced by that organism.
Chemicals: Sex hormones. (testosterone, estrogen, progesterone, oxytocin, and vasopressin)
- "Reintroducing puberty on command. Wanna be totally jacked? Sure. A knock-out bombshell? Done. Horny beyond belief? Easy."

Tier Two:
Higher maximum and minimum capable of causing to be produced. Now capable of causing the natural maximum and natural minimum possible for a given chemical to be produced.
Can now control the amount released, up to 50% of what's produced by the organism.
Chemicals: Lactic acid.
- "Muscles for days."

Tier Three:
Can now cause a chemical to be produced beyond it's natural maximum amount or not be produced at all.
Can now control the amount released, up to 75% of what's produced by the organism.
Chemicals: Adrenaline.
- "Super soldiers' workshop, right over here."

Tier Four:
Can now control the amount released, up to 100% of what's produced by the organism.
Can now cause cross-kingdom chemical creation so long as the materials exist within the organism. Example: Could cause a human to form chlorophyll.
Chemicals: Chemicals responsible for emotions.
- "A bit of psychology later and my wish is your command."

Tier Five:
Can now control whether or not chemical receptors accept their related chemical.
Can now control her own chemicals.
Chemicals: Those responsible for cell-replication.
- "Super regeneration or the inability to heal. And can finally make myself live off sunlight so I don't need the bathroom anymore. That'll be nice."

Tier Six: (Final Tier)
Can control chemicals in DNA and freely manipulate genetic code.
Given the materials needed, can now control chemicals outside of an organism. In practice, could potentially create life from raw elements.
- "Homunculi, here I come."

And of course you can see the current version.

[Temporary]

I haven't had many experiences as CO-GM, but every time I am, it's usually that you have to talk to the GM whenever you want to make changes.

Though, usually, CO-GMs can accept CSs at will, it should in theory still fall under main GM permission to pull characters. Requesting changes is fine, but pulling a sheet when it's already been accepted is too far, from my perspective.

Though, that's my opinion from my past experiences ^~^

[Lillium]

@KahleenCuthald Co-GM and GM are equal, in most cases. The entire point of having a co-GM is because its difficult for one person to manage RPs of this size.

So yes, Co-GMs are allowed to pull already approved sheets if it is with good reason.

[Lillium]

I haven't had many experiences as CO-GM, but every time I am, it's usually that you have to talk to the GM whenever you want to make changes.

Though, usually, CO-GMs can accept CSs at will, it should in theory still fall under main GM permission to pull characters. Requesting changes is fine, but pulling a sheet when it's already been accepted is too far, from my perspective.

Though, that's my opinion from my past experiences ^~^

@Vocab

Jinx, Mari and I have GMed together before. This isn't our first time working together. In the future, please stay out of matters between the GMs and another player.

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@Lillium Well, I'm not trying to overstep boundaries, but it's always nice to have a third party input.

[Lillium]

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I did make those edits. I just made the increase in power gradual instead of all suddenly kicking in at tier five. If I kept the edits exactly as you said without taking any liberties with the power increases, then she would have been too weak to even bother with because her powers would be TOO limited to be viable.

Trigger warning: I'm going to fucking tell you off in the following otherwise perfectly civil explanation because this is infuriating

Think about this for a second. If someone had a power like hers and it remained stagnant, with the limitations you mentioned remaining as you gave them all the way until she reached tier five, which very possibly might not happen by the end of this rp because of just how far away that is, then she would not only have the tons of weaknesses that come as side effects that already balanced out her power plenty, but she would be literally unable to defend herself against simple, average teenager humans in 99.9% of all situations where she was in danger. A stagnant power that after constant effort and improvement and tons of fucking time only resulted in a tiny increase in power but a major increase in things that are actively dangerous and life-threatening to her would: A) Almost certainly insure that she dies young and well before she ever reached even tier four. B) Make any scientist worth their salt decide to simply forgo observing her growth and just kill and dissect her. C) Cause the first conflict she got into with another character, who, thanks to how weak Violet is, would 100% of the time be notably stronger than her and who has little to no control of their own powers, become hospitalizing at best and deadly at worst.

I don't mean any disrespect by anything so far, and I mean the following in the kindest possible way, but FUCKING THINK for a second.

Edit:
I also wanted to say that I'm fine with having to satisfy all three (Co)GMs and I'm perfectly fine with throwing out a power and choosing something else, AND I don't hold a grudge against anyone for criticism or complaints or requests or anything else, but this particular instance of interaction over this particular character idea is insane and it's not insane because of me, for once.

Edit Edit:
For those wondering, the changes in question were:

Changes required

I'd have to ask you to add more reasonable weaknesses. For example, requiring her to be in physical contact with the person before she can use her power on them. And it needs to be skin contact, mind you. The changes cannot be instant. They can and will be disrupted if contact is broken. Anything below tier 5 will not be permanent. They'll revert back after a while. 12 hours at tier 4, 15 minutes at tier 1 and so on.

Her prior powers were:

Prior powers

Tier Zero:
Her level when she was captured.
At this level can only cause something to produce more or less of a chemical.
Chemicals: Melanins.
- "Ever wanted to see what it's like to be a different race? I can help."

Tier One:
Higher maximum and minimum capable of causing to be produced.
Can now control the amount released, up to 15% of what's produced by that organism.
Chemicals: Sex hormones. (testosterone, estrogen, progesterone, oxytocin, and vasopressin)
- "Reintroducing puberty on command. Wanna be totally jacked? Sure. A knock-out bombshell? Done. Horny beyond belief? Easy."

Tier Two:
Higher maximum and minimum capable of causing to be produced. Now capable of causing the natural maximum and natural minimum possible for a given chemical to be produced.
Can now control the amount released, up to 50% of what's produced by the organism.
Chemicals: Lactic acid.
- "Muscles for days."

Tier Three:
Can now cause a chemical to be produced beyond it's natural maximum amount or not be produced at all.
Can now control the amount released, up to 75% of what's produced by the organism.
Chemicals: Adrenaline.
- "Super soldiers' workshop, right over here."

Tier Four:
Can now control the amount released, up to 100% of what's produced by the organism.
Can now cause cross-kingdom chemical creation so long as the materials exist within the organism. Example: Could cause a human to form chlorophyll.
Chemicals: Chemicals responsible for emotions.
- "A bit of psychology later and my wish is your command."

Tier Five:
Can now control whether or not chemical receptors accept their related chemical.
Can now control her own chemicals.
Chemicals: Those responsible for cell-replication.
- "Super regeneration or the inability to heal. And can finally make myself live off sunlight so I don't need the bathroom anymore. That'll be nice."

Tier Six: (Final Tier)
Can control chemicals in DNA and freely manipulate genetic code.
Given the materials needed, can now control chemicals outside of an organism. In practice, could potentially create life from raw elements.
- "Homunculi, here I come."

And of course you can see the current version.

@DarkwolfX37

The point of this RP has never been about being some sort of mutant with super OP powers. Yours holds far too much potential for god modding, which is why it needs to have the edits I asked for.

[Lillium]

@Lillium Well, I'm not trying to overstep boundaries, but it's always nice to have a third party input.

@Vocab

No, it isn't always. This isn't up to the rest of the players to decide. Please stay out of such matters in the future.

[banjoanjo]

@Lillium

Made edits to the powers section. Is it ok now?

[Lillium]

@banjoanjo Approved! Go ahead and work on your introduction post^^

[DarkwolfX37]

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The point of this RP has never been about being some sort of mutant with super OP powers. Yours holds far too much potential for god modding, which is why it needs to have the edits I asked for.

@Lillium

I, for one, am going to wait for the other two GMs to weigh in, because hopefully they'll be able to explain this better than I could.

Goodnight

This is notably less civil. Probably best if you don't read this.

Wait wait wait.
We have:
- Teleportation.
- Manipulation of the lack of light.
- Technopathy in a location where there are electronics literally every three feet.
- Telekinesis AND Telepathy in a single character.
- TIME CONTROL.
- SPACE CONTROL.
- AND LITERAL FUCKING MIND CONTROL.

And you're worried about a power that progressively makes its owner weaker to the point of NEEDING PREDIGESTED FOOD IN ORDER TO SURVIVE BECAUSE OF HOW BADLY FUCKED HER BODY BECOMES AND COULD VERY EASILY DIE FROM A PAPERCUT, because after a couple decades she might be able to cause someone to OD if they just so happened to have eaten enough of the elements needed to make the chemical they would OD on.

And let's not forget the kicker. The only reason you're even complaining about my char is because it's the only one (Aside from Vocab's now) that actually outlines how the power will grow, and the last two, which I've said many times now could very easily not be reached by the time this rp ends, scare you.

I... I do not understand the level of insane you operate at.

[Jinxer]

Wolverbells and Lillium speak on my behalf and such such have the same authority.

If, at any point, you feel there is an issue then PM me but it is unacceptable to make a drama in the OOC.

I am currently at work but I will review any CS still awaiting approval when I get home.

[Thundercrash]

All I'm going to say is that lets try to be civil with one another. Otherwise it's just no fun for anyone.

[wolverbells]

Being civil would be nice and all but it's somewhat difficult when you decide to throw shade and put it in a hider. Just because it's in a hider doesn't mean that it's not there with the rest of the argument.

This should've been handled in a PM from the beginning but since people sometimes need attention.....

This argument proves to me that you obviously can not work with others and for that reason I'm just going to say no to the CS regardless of what changes are made. This is my opinion though. You still have the other GM's to give you a yes, given that you actually comply with what's being said.

@DarkwolfX37